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Old 23 April 2006, 08:33   #11
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What do you mean African??? They are made in the UK!!!

Yes they are different kinds of boats to yours - they may be slower but they would probably handle the rough stuff better.

Hurry up and post some pics/videos of that 34' Revenger of yours!!!

Whoops just realised you are on about the tests not the Quinquaris!!!
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Old 23 April 2006, 11:16   #12
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What do you mean African??? They are made in the UK!!!

Did never say that Tornado was African built, knowing that they are built someplace just north of Hull. Personally we not do have anything against Tornado, was just refering to HMS as HMS an I were having quite a though dispute on this site.
And I think that HMS was weigh out of line with his Tornado-test. Tornadoes to me are just as good as any other boat.
Talking about Tornado, the new 11 m. Tornado with stepped hull is a though boat. A boat like that is comming over from England the first week in May. A friend of mine is going to use it for searafting. We are putting on 3x275 on a bracket. The boat will have 14 Ullman suspention-seats. Looking at 60+ knots with stepped hull and the bracket.
Talking about the Humber, yes it is a great boat, absolutely nothing wrong with it, only comenting about the size vs enginepower on the 11 m. 400 hp on 11 m. is half the hp of what is being put on the new Tornado, and in our opinion it is the speed combined with the waves that breaks the gear. It is hard to break an engine when it goes 35 knots most of the day vs jumping around in 55 knots.
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Old 23 April 2006, 14:19   #13
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This 250 engine thing is a perennial argument, but really appreciate first hand experience of these engines. I do like the Verado's digital throttle, but actually I think I do spend a lot of time doing 5000+ rpm, as I like to get where I'm going as fast as possible, so its mad fuel consumption is out of the question.

Best price I've seen on the Suzuki 250 is 9.5k exVAT, which kind of settles the argument, because I don't think I'd get any of the others for that price. Has anyone beaten that argument.

One of the things I loved about the Opti was the knock your head off acceleration - would that be there with the Suz?
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Old 23 April 2006, 16:15   #14
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One of the things I loved about the Opti was the knock your head off acceleration - would that be there with the Suz?
In the last two issues of Rib Magazine, they have printed a test of the 250`s.
Suzuki is the slowest, using 52.8% more time to reach 40 knots than the fastest in the test.
Testing 0-40 knots:
1)Yamaha 11.71 secs
2)Verado 13.13 secs
3) Evinrude 14.71 secs
4) Suzuki 17.9 secs

This is not the bible as choice of proppellers are of major importance doing this test. Yamaha did also have a top speed of 47.35 knots vs the Suz had a top speed of 45.75 knots. This might show that the Yamahas were propped not only for acceleration.That said, if I may come up with a rumour heared at the London boatshow 2006, the Yamaha was tested one month after the others because they used their new 300hp fourstroke with a 250 hood. The 300 is then to be launched 06/07.
So....in the end of the day you really never know. But personally, the Suz feels slower than the others.
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Old 23 April 2006, 16:46   #15
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Hi, Someone told me that Yamaha has a timing belt. I know Suz has a chain, and that is better. If your going to use your boat with heavy load I also belive that you will feel the Suz have better "torque". That is because it is geared down twice. Otherwice I dont think its much that seperate Suz and Yam. A Tornado with twin Yam 150 /4 stroke that was stolen last year had 1100 hours without major faults. I have a Suz 250 with 250 hours. Apart from probs with the gearcontrole initially, its been working fine. As Martin says in another thread we blew one ( head gasket ) 5 months ago. It was replaced immidiatly ( short block ) by Suz. They also put another engine on the boat while repairing it.

For me E-tec is not interresting. (Changing sparkplugs every 100 hour, lot of 2 stroke oil and the noice)
On a engine of this size i dont think the chain V belt makes much diffeance
After all Robbinson Helicopters use belts as do a lot of performance cars.
The last 4 wheel drive we had broke its timing chain.
Perhaps i look at things to far ahead but i know that in three years times you will sell your boat with ease with a yamaha. i allways get a bad feeling when
engine makers start dumping with massive discounts looks cheep now.
This is only my opinion but based on phoning round with an imadgenary second hand boat to see who would buy (not brokeridge) but out right.
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Old 23 April 2006, 20:30   #16
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What do you mean African??? They are made in the UK!!!


Africa, U.K. what's the difference???
JUST KIDDING!!! Hey Cod, where's your boat?
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Old 23 April 2006, 22:51   #17
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Africa, U.K. what's the difference???
JUST KIDDING!!! Hey Cod, where's your boat?
Sitting in Guernsey waiting for me!!!

Am itching to go and get it but will be another week or 2 before I can get out there!!!
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Old 24 April 2006, 07:30   #18
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On a engine of this size i dont think the chain V belt makes much diffeance
After all Robbinson Helicopters use belts as do a lot of performance cars.
The last 4 wheel drive we had broke its timing chain.
Perhaps i look at things to far ahead but i know that in three years times you will sell your boat with ease with a yamaha. i allways get a bad feeling when
engine makers start dumping with massive discounts looks cheep now.
This is only my opinion but based on phoning round with an imadgenary second hand boat to see who would buy (not brokeridge) but out right.
Assuming the same principles apply to outboards as to vehicle engines (can't see any reason why not) belts are nothing to worry about AS LONG AS there is no inherent design weakness (think early Land Rover 300Tdi for an example of what not to do) and AS LONG AS it is changed at the recommended intervals. A chain will become a bit slack over time and just get noisy, if a belt is not changed it eventually gets bored with life perishes and snaps, or more commonly the teeth peel off. Usually at about 6 or 7 years in the vehicles I deal with (recommended change is at 5) it doesn't cause much damage in an old pushrod LR engine but can do a lot more in different engine layouts such as DOHC where there aren't "sacrificial components" like pushrods to absorb the crunch.the
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