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Old 15 October 2008, 10:56   #31
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Ok Andy, no worries.
Wouńld you have the same reservations if the buyer asked that the sale be dependent on an inspection of the engine by a qualified marine engineer ?. He takes the outboard to an ouboard specialist, they check it over, no doubt involving said removal of lower leg and appropriate inspections etc ?.
Surely no one could object to that - and for what it would cost, it would be money well spent.
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Old 15 October 2008, 15:41   #32
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Thanks for all your in put lads. Got some clues about the boat now that I don't really like. The owner has never used the boat since he bought it. Bought it for a tender for his trawler but never got round to using it. Asked if he had a Prop bag with it (on the off chance), no was his answer as the one it had when he bought it was tatty and got binned and he's never moved it since so has never bought one.
Hmmm, besides everything else do ya think the bearings on the trailer will be up to a 180 mile trip? I don't like my chances!

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Old 15 October 2008, 18:28   #33
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Thanks for all your in put lads. Got some clues about the boat now that I don't really like. The owner has never used the boat since he bought it. Bought it for a tender for his trawler but never got round to using it. Asked if he had a Prop bag with it (on the off chance), no was his answer as the one it had when he bought it was tatty and got binned and he's never moved it since so has never bought one.
Hmmm, besides everything else do ya think the bearings on the trailer will be up to a 180 mile trip? I don't like my chances!

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I think any answers you need now are only answerable when you see it.
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Old 15 October 2008, 18:35   #34
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Just looked at the ebay ad-those pics aren't taken on someone's driveway.. If he hasn't moved it for 2 years then they are at least 2 years old.
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Old 16 October 2008, 03:32   #35
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Wouńld you have the same reservations if the buyer asked that the sale be dependent on an inspection of the engine by a qualified marine engineer ?. He takes the outboard to an ouboard specialist, they check it over, no doubt involving said removal of lower leg and appropriate inspections etc ?.
Surely no one could object to that - and for what it would cost, it would be money well spent.
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Potential problem there is if the guy says he's taking your outboard to a dealer, how do you know you'll ever see him or it again? - he could pay you a deposit or in full but then it starts to get messy.

I think you have been particularly unlucky in your situation and while I'm sure it wasn't the first 15 yr old scrapper or the last as far as I know it's fairly rare - after all, there are thousands of motors still going strong that were built in the 60's and 70's

I think you are always taking a chance buying a used engine, it's just a case of assessing the risk. While you can't always judge a book by it's cover, generaly speaking if something looks like it's been looked after on the outside there's a good chance it might have been
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Old 16 October 2008, 03:51   #36
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Asked if he had a Prop bag with it (on the off chance), no was his answer as the one it had when he bought it was tatty and got binned and he's never moved it since so has never bought one.
Hmmm, besides everything else do ya think the bearings on the trailer will be up to a 180 mile trip? I don't like my chances!
As far as the wheel bearings are concearned, ask him to jack each side up (between the 2 of you you might even be able to lift each side on to some blocks or bricks) and check for excessive play or rumbling when you spin it. If it rumbles badly then I wouldn't risk it, if it's just play you could try tightening up the crown nut a little but it's still a bit of a risk. If there's a little bit of play don't worry, that's normal.

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Just looked at the ebay ad-those pics aren't taken on someone's driveway.. If he hasn't moved it for 2 years then they are at least 2 years old.
I noticed that, looks more like it's in a boat yard or something. Could be pics the previous owner took (I've found it's common for people to use previous owners pics when selling) or he could be telling porkies

Just go take a look at it, 180 miles isn't that far and from the pics it looks pretty good for the lolly
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Old 16 October 2008, 04:05   #37
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Hello Andy
Its a difficult one, yes. But not insurmountable. A lot of the issue os the perception of money and worth, to someone whome 1500 or 2k squids is not a lot of dosh in the great scheme of things, then ok, to others, it is a lot of dosh. I am sure it is possible with an accomodating seller to trailer the whole boat to the dealer, service engineer with an agreed inspection fee paid up front by the buyer, note, this is not a full service, just a qualified inspection.
IF for example, a seller states it has been regularly serviced, then he should be able to show it, and would certainly not object to a quick inspection. IF on the other hand, someone says it is apx 7 years old and it turns out to be probably at least double that, and says it has had regular servicing and this is unlikely to have been been done becuase you then find out it hasent moved in years for example, (it doesnt mean it doesnt need servicing at the appropriate time intervals.)..........................
This ones semells of a rat to me, but with correct precautions may be a good buy, without them I wouldnt touch it.
Yes, it certainly is risk management, and thats about what you can afford to lose in one of its many areas, some can afford more than others, some may not mind parting an engine for spares on ebay for example. Then the problem arises in trying to buy a replacement that will be better.. all for the sake of a quick inspection by a qualified person.
INtersting discussion though, and certainly highlights differing perceptions. Thanks for the input.
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Old 16 October 2008, 04:57   #38
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I've decided to jib it. Got a bad feeling about it.
I never thought about the photos' being in a compound/yard so well done Sherlock
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I've decided to jib it.
Good call if you have any doubts. Once the cold weather and dark nights settle in their will be plenty of other bargins about.

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Old 16 October 2008, 05:55   #40
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I feel abit bad and hate going back on a deal but you've got to look out for number one first haven't you? If he'd said in the add that the engine was older and the thing hadn't been moved for so long things would have been different

Anyway, I've bitten the bullet and just put £100 deposit on a 4m searider. But it's got a very old donkey on the back which I understand are know for being a bit gutless? Mercury 50hp PTT around 88/89 I've been told.
Ever since I joined this site and asked for all your good advice (and it has been VERY good, thanks folks) I've been pointed towards a searider, so I'm made up I've got one. Hoping to sell on the engine for what I can get for it in time and get another donkey. It's sat on a new trailer too.

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