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Old 22 October 2007, 15:54   #21
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I would not disagree with your statement about "almost every brand of product has some problems during its life", but engine blocks going bang in my book are serious problems, and if I can opt for a more proven unit then that is what I will go for.
Imagine the scene, wife and kids onboard on the way to Guernsey, sudden turn in weather, and engine siezes up!! god forbid......would your warranty be the first thing on your mind in that situation, because survival would be first and foremost on mine!!!!!
I am sorry but my mind is now firmly made up, from what I have witnessed and read on some of these threads I would not give the Evinrude 150Di a first chance, let alone a second chance.
Going back to the start of this thread, I can only re-itterate the feelings and choice words of the guy that was towed into harbour at Weymouth, and I am now certain I will be choosing between the Suzuki 4-stroke or the Mercury Optimax.

I cann't disagree that the Suzuki's are certainly as a reliable engine on the market as your gonna get and hope this is the case during your ownership. The Opti, again has a strong warrantee, however these have had their fair share of problems with ECU's and injectors and pumps. I would have thought you'd have discounted these along with the Evinrudes based on your ealier comments.

I think you have to ask the question that if safety is of upmost concern, then wouldn't a twin setup be more suitable for yur needs with double redundancy for everything, that way reliability might not be so important and would open up the options on which manufacturer and model to choose from.
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Old 22 October 2007, 16:42   #22
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I think you have to ask the question that if safety is of upmost concern, then wouldn't a twin setup be more suitable for yur needs with double redundancy for everything, that way reliability might not be so important and would open up the options on which manufacturer and model to choose from.
Or just stay at home with all the doors and windows locked
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Old 22 October 2007, 18:36   #23
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I chatted with the guy we hired a rib from on holiday . He had honda's on his entire fleet and said he chose them as they were considered the most reliable among the local comercial users .
He had a tale of woe for just about every other make , although opti's were much in eveidence on other older hire boats with the only complaint being the amount and cost of oil they use .
I often hear about bikes breaking down because they never go a small mod done on recall usually because they had changed hands , maybe thats part of the problem with some outboards , as they don't seem to get the dealer/manufacturer follow up etc that other vehicles do.
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Old 23 October 2007, 02:58   #24
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I am sorry but I must be missing something here.

I am considering purchasing an engine, and your quote indicates you are happy with their service even though you have had to have a complete motor block replaced. Are you not concerned this may happen again?, and will they honour the warranty a second time around if it does need replacing again? Did they say why it happened in the first place? Were you not unhappy about the fact that your boat was out of action until repaired for however long it took? Would you comfortably be prepared to buy another engine knowing the problems you have had?

If it were me I would be thoroughly p****d off.
We had a problem that could have happened with almost every engine. One of the spark-plugs stopped working. We hardly noticed the fact that our engine was running on 5 cylinders ( no shaking of the engine, RMP dropped only with more or less 200 RMP, top speed was 2 kn lower). The fact that there was no combustion in one of the cylinders created a lot of friction. After a couple of hours it broke down and created a hole in the engine block and cooling circuit. Through this hole, water could enter the cylinders.

This happend during winter, so it wasn't a big problem for us that our boat was out of action. Repair took 4 weeks. In order to speed up things, they shipped the motor block by plane.

[/QUOTE] Will they honour the warranty a second time around if it does need replacing again? [/QUOTE]

We are pretty confident that if it happens again during the warranty period we will have the same service. To us, all comes down to having a good dealer that will defend he's customers. In our case BruggeMarineCenter did a great job.

[/QUOTE] Would you comfortably be prepared to buy another engine knowing the problems you have had? [/QUOTE]

If today we would buy a boat with a 250 HP or twin 250 HP engines we would not hesitate and buy an Evinrude again.
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Old 23 October 2007, 03:13   #25
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Hightower,

I would not disagree with your statement about "almost every brand of product has some problems during its life", but engine blocks going bang in my book are serious problems, and if I can opt for a more proven unit then that is what I will go for.
Imagine the scene, wife and kids onboard on the way to Guernsey, sudden turn in weather, and engine siezes up!! god forbid......would your warranty be the first thing on your mind in that situation, because survival would be first and foremost on mine!!!!!
I am sorry but my mind is now firmly made up, from what I have witnessed and read on some of these threads I would not give the Evinrude 150Di a first chance, let alone a second chance.
Going back to the start of this thread, I can only re-itterate the feelings and choice words of the guy that was towed into harbour at Weymouth, and I am now certain I will be choosing between the Suzuki 4-stroke or the Mercury Optimax.
Waverunner,

After we had that spark plug problem we had a long discussion with the mechanic of bruggemarinecenter about how we can void this problem next time. Conclusion of that discussion was can be summarised as follows:
- most probably any 4 stroke engine with this problem will normally immediately stop working (for the engine this might be better but if you are on your way to Guernsey ...)
- only way to detect this problem is drive your boat every now and then at WOT and see if you can reach your max RMP)

So if you want to play on safety and you have only one engine make sure you have all your safety gear on board + spare warm dry clothes + water and dry biscuits (and a good insurance).

Remember, no engine / brand is flawless!


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Old 23 October 2007, 03:45   #26
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For safety we never go out alone to open sea. Always a second boat around.
We made our trip to the Ribex with two RIBs.
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Old 23 October 2007, 07:54   #27
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Or just stay at home with all the doors and windows locked
Don't be like that Brad

That's why I have the most unreliable outboard sitting on the back of my new RIB
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Old 23 October 2007, 10:02   #28
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Waverunner,

After we had that spark plug problem we had a long discussion with the mechanic of bruggemarinecenter about how we can void this problem next time. Conclusion of that discussion was can be summarised as follows:
- most probably any 4 stroke engine with this problem will normally immediately stop working (for the engine this might be better but if you are on your way to Guernsey ...)
- only way to detect this problem is drive your boat every now and then at WOT and see if you can reach your max RMP)

So if you want to play on safety and you have only one engine make sure you have all your safety gear on board + spare warm dry clothes + water and dry biscuits (and a good insurance).

Remember, no engine / brand is flawless!


regards,

I remember there were similar problems with some suzuki 250 fourstrokes when they first came out. Apparently the ECU was sending too weak a mixture to one of the cylinders which caused the same problem you had. A simple reprog was all that was needed!!!
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Old 23 October 2007, 12:45   #29
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Did they say why the spark plug stopped working? Was it the plug itself, or the HT lead, or the electrics higher up the chain?

Spark plug failure is pretty rare in my book, unless it has been fouled by something, like say too much oil.

Also, I fail to see why not having one cylinder firing would cause the block to fail spectacularly. Oil is still being pumped around the engine, including to the cylinder that isn't firing, so friction should not be an issue. I know car engines can run with one cylinder out almost indefinitely. The only possible reason I can see is that the cylinder that isn't running is cooler than the others and so unusual thermal stresses are set up between cylinder walls/cooling passages. But the oil and water coolant will help to keep temperature levels reasonably constant.

If it was me, I would want more information from Evinrude. Why did the spark plug fail (or fail to spark)? And why did this then cause complete block failure? Without knowing this, how can you confidently go out to sea again?

ON various sites/forums, I have heard of many Evinrude problems. Personally I will always buy the most reliable thing I can, be it boat, lawnmower, car, whatever. But especially in safety critical applications like boating. If airplane engines can be made 99.9% reliable then surely boat engines can be too?

For me it's Jap all the way, Honda, Yam, Suzuki. (But I know Mercury/Mariner are good too!)
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You would have thought that if the problem was the spark plug then the dealer would have been asking the spark plug manufacturer for recompense. Whatever though in your case you got the result you desired and a working engine at the end of it. And me I wouldn't have asked too many questions after that. But it would have got me thinking.
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