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Old 14 January 2009, 16:03   #11
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Hello Jono,Sorry to see you in a spot.Would there be no recourse the present owner can go through the manufacturer as surely its not yet three years old and under warenty or are they only two yrs
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Old 15 January 2009, 17:40   #12
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... I take the warranty has expired.
2006 Opti should still be under warranty (3 years), provided the terms have been adhered to.
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mmm, very interesting.
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Good point Peter... however the engine was registered commercially to an Ian Sharlot (PPT) so the warranty is shortened.
Let me also point out at this point that the problem was found during installation.
Codprawn... the guy is a very experienced Mariner engineer, he would not put the wrong plugs in.
This is a pretty horrible situation as i put him on to you Jono thinking that the engine would be in good order and there would not be any problems, having plugged it into the DDT we can see that this is clearly not the case. This deal was done on trust, i don't think that there are many people who would go and view a second hand outboard before buying it if it was several hundred miles away so whilst a legal challenge may prove difficult this has left Jamie with a very bitter taste in his mouth.
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i don't think that there are many people who would go and view a second hand outboard before buying it if it was several hundred miles away so whilst a legal challenge may prove difficult this has left Jamie with a very bitter taste in his mouth.
Really? I don't think that many people would buy a 3.5k second hand outboard without either seeing it running or some sort of warranty/guarantee - the later is clearly not the case when it is sold on brokerage. I don't know Jono and have never met him, so he probably is an honerable guy - but in general yacht brokers are just like estate agents and trust is not normally a good idea!
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Old 16 January 2009, 16:12   #16
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Good point Peter... however the engine was registered commercially to an Ian Sharlot (PPT) so the warranty is shortened.
Let me also point out at this point that the problem was found during installation.
Codprawn... the guy is a very experienced Mariner engineer, he would not put the wrong plugs in.
This is a pretty horrible situation as i put him on to you Jono thinking that the engine would be in good order and there would not be any problems, having plugged it into the DDT we can see that this is clearly not the case. This deal was done on trust, i don't think that there are many people who would go and view a second hand outboard before buying it if it was several hundred miles away so whilst a legal challenge may prove difficult this has left Jamie with a very bitter taste in his mouth.
If i understand right you said it was found during instalation i.e before the boat had any use.If thats the case and the buyer didnt get to use it i dont know what the legal situation would be but in a court it would be whats reasonable .Which would be the sellar must give him his money back.I dont feel he can hide behind the dealer and the dealer cant hind behind the seller.I feel for Jono.I have sold through my local shop for me the benifits are being able to ask top money as a potential buyer has some reasurence as to the shops part in the deal.I did think perhaps i shouldnt say what i have as its probably not what you were hopeing to hear .On the other hand it is only my opion and may not be right.Jono always came right for me for which i really admire him
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You need to find a middle ground area to protect your reputation, where exactly that is, depends on your principles and what you want your trading relationship to stand for.

You said you liked the guy .. so lose a little money if you think this would be a benefit to more custom. If he's a knob end.. stick to your guns, as has been pointed out .. shit happens. Just make sure your punter knows that you really are going well out of the way to help him though if you go down that route, or maybe make some contribution , on the very firm and clear understanding that to the best of your knowledge the engine history was good ,.. and you sold it on, in good faith
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Good point Peter... however the engine was registered commercially to an Ian Sharlot (PPT) so the warranty is shortened.
Let me also point out at this point that the problem was found during installation.
Codprawn... the guy is a very experienced Mariner engineer, he would not put the wrong plugs in.
This is a pretty horrible situation as i put him on to you Jono thinking that the engine would be in good order and there would not be any problems, having plugged it into the DDT we can see that this is clearly not the case. This deal was done on trust, i don't think that there are many people who would go and view a second hand outboard before buying it if it was several hundred miles away so whilst a legal challenge may prove difficult this has left Jamie with a very bitter taste in his mouth.
Ribraff, This is not the case. This engine was registered and used by Sidmouth Lifeboat, It was purchased by Professional boat sales (of which I was a Director) in March 08. Professional boat sales later sold the engine on a boat. The engine should not be registered to me as we only purchased the engine as a dealer from Sidmouth and the purchase was done through E P Barrus.

I am sorry to hear about the problems ribraff.
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Really? I don't think that many people would buy a 3.5k second hand outboard without either seeing it running or some sort of warranty/guarantee - the later is clearly not the case when it is sold on brokerage.
Seconded-I've driven 200 miles each way to collect engines before.
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I don't know Jono and have never met him, so he probably is an honerable guy - but in general yacht brokers are just like estate agents and trust is not normally a good idea!
I'm not sure that's really a fair comment-but the comparison is good in that both an estate agent and a broker know nothing much about the product apart from what's obvious from a quick look and what the seller has said.
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Seconded-I've driven 200 miles each way to collect engines before.
Same here!
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I'm not sure that's really a fair comment-but the comparison is good in that both an estate agent and a broker know nothing much about the product apart from what's obvious from a quick look and what the seller has said.
If, on the Friday and everything clears, you go to your new house and open the door and the whole lot falls down. Leaving you with only a door nob then it would be the surveyor you would go back too as the estate agent would try and show you another property.
And on that maybe a independent qualified person should have been sort to go over the engine before the paying for it. But that would be an expense that I can imagine was not an option.
Again I think it would only stand up in court if it was sold in a dangerous state.


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