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Old 29 September 2009, 08:23   #11
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I deal with a Yamaha main dealer who service a lot of commercial RIBS and they simply doesn't rate them.
Strange that, considering the incestuous triangle... You won't be surprised to hear I was talking to a Merc dealer who didn't rate Suzis......

There will always be people who get dodgy engines - it's a statistical probability with a mass produced machine. Bottom line is (assuming you don't plan to self service) - is your delaer decent? That would account for a good chunk of the "which brand?" equation if it were me.
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Old 29 September 2009, 10:34   #12
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Strange that, considering the incestuous triangle... You won't be surprised to hear I was talking to a Merc dealer who didn't rate Suzis......

There will always be people who get dodgy engines - it's a statistical probability with a mass produced machine. Bottom line is (assuming you don't plan to self service) - is your delaer decent? That would account for a good chunk of the "which brand?" equation if it were me.
From a general terrestrial engine point of view I would regard Honda and Yamaha as the best engine designers and manufacturers - not sure if that translates to marine as well?
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Old 29 September 2009, 11:21   #13
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spart'y, for what it's worth my personal preferance has always been NEW engine, USED boat.

This formaula has always seen me good. The theory is you can tinker with boats more than engines!!

I've had (in rough order) the following spanking new engines, and in truth, they have all been good bits of kit:

Marniner (Merc)
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and which would be my favorite?

Well, for fun vs economy the merc optimax.
For value for money the tohatsu.
For reliablity the yamaha.
For noise (lack of it) the Suzuzi.
For a right bargin, the Mariner.

so there you go.
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I deal with a Yamaha main dealer who service a lot of commercial RIBS and they simply doesn't rate them. I'm assuming they mean in terms of realiability, component quality, etc.
Yeah he is probably right, its only the entire MoD fleet of outboards, almost all the RNLI inshore lifeboats, Most of the Coast guard outboards etc etc that use them commercially! i guess if they were that bad they would be using Yams too!
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Yeah he is probably right, its only the entire MoD fleet of outboards, almost all the RNLI inshore lifeboats, Most of the Coast guard outboards etc etc that use them commercially! i guess if they were that bad they would be using Yams too!
I appreciate it's a contentious subject and that a degree of outboard engine choice is based on misinformation depending who, or where you ask. Probably the same reason people buy certain makes of car, irrespective of their reliability. Mercedes, BMW and Audi are prestigious brands, but nearly always score badly in JD Power surveys on customer satisfaction and reliability. Lexus, Mazda and Honda invariably take the top slots.

Off topic for a minute, the new Audi A5, a car packed with technology and only on the market since 2007 came joint last out of 175 cars (with a Ford Galaxy) tested in a recent Which? report on customer satisfaction. 77,000 people took part - so they can't all be telling porkies.

Part of my engine-choice decision will be based on the local dealer network for support and advice. I have a Yamaha/Evinrude main dealer close to me. I also service the engines myself, so have a general feel for the quality of the components and problems that I've encountered with them over the years.
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Part of my engine-choice decision will be based on the local dealer network for support and advice. I have a Yamaha/Evinrude main dealer close to me. I also service the engines myself, so have a general feel for the quality of the components and problems that I've encountered with them over the years.
Hang on a minute. You're dismissing Merc/Mariner on the advice of a local (Yam) dealer, but you'll be servicing the engines yourself and claim to have a 'feel for the quality of the components'
Why not make your own decision on this, rather than being (mis)guided by someone with a clear bias towards a particular manufacturer?
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Hang on a minute. You're dismissing Merc/Mariner on the advice of a local (Yam) dealer, but you'll be servicing the engines yourself and claim to have a 'feel for the quality of the components'
Why not make your own decision on this, rather than being (mis)guided by someone with a clear bias towards a particular manufacturer?
I'm open to pursuasion. It's been a number of years since I purchased an engine from new and all my experience is with 2-strokes. Sure I have a loyalty to Yamaha, but never say never. Didn't think I'd move from Zodiac until I heard about Ribquest.
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get yourself a force, at least then you know you have a crap engine that is not pretending to be a good engine and you aint paid 7-8k for it
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i'm open to pursuasion. ...... Didn't think i'd move from zodiac until i heard about ribquest.
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