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Old 30 November 2007, 12:01   #11
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Thanks for explanation...but big buggers wouldn't wear Speedos, not if they've got any sense!!!
Unfortunately, big buggers don't always follow your sentiments.

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interesting thread here as I have a 4 stroke yamaha 80 & use it mainly mid range, v low fuel consumption.

Anyway, I have a 2 stroke Stihl strimmer & had its first service yesterday after 4 years & c 400 hrs. It took 5 mins & cost 10e!!! Starts second time all the time & used WOT (sorry neighbours I know its loud) for 1 week a year.

Cheers all
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Old 02 December 2007, 18:33   #13
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with a family of 5 I reckon a futura would be pretty sluggish with a 25hp.

You would need the mk3 futura to get enough space and that is a bit big and heavy to inflate every time you use it so you will end up with a trailer anyway so a bigger motor wouldn't be a problem .

My25 yam on a futura used the same amount of fuel as my df70 suzuki on a 4.9 rib for half the performance . It was much more hassle to launch and recover due to the type and height of trailer it needed . For the cost of a futura trailer and motor new you could get a decent rib or hardboat on a trailer .
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Old 02 December 2007, 21:51   #14
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with a family of 5 I reckon a futura would be pretty sluggish with a 25hp.

You would need the mk3 futura to get enough space and that is a bit big and heavy to inflate every time you use it so you will end up with a trailer anyway so a bigger motor wouldn't be a problem .

My25 yam on a futura used the same amount of fuel as my df70 suzuki on a 4.9 rib for half the performance . It was much more hassle to launch and recover due to the type and height of trailer it needed . For the cost of a futura trailer and motor new you could get a decent rib or hardboat on a trailer .
The 5 of you could fit into a a Mark II Futura if you are not bringing along any gear, but it will be pretty slow if being pushed by a 25 hp outboard.
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The 5 of you could fit into a a Mark II Futura if you are not bringing along any gear, but it will be pretty slow if being pushed by a 25 hp outboard.
Thanks again Prairie Tuber

More dilemmas!

I've seen a fantastic deal on a Futura MK2 with a console and 50hp, but with console and seats it looks a bit neat for 5. Would also need a trailer, and I've decided I'd prefer not to go that route.

But then, if I stick to tiller steer, max I've been recommended is 30hp, which is going to be sluggish with family of 5.

Back to the drawing board!!
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Old 03 December 2007, 01:46   #16
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with a family of 5 I reckon a futura would be pretty sluggish with a 25hp.

You would need the mk3 futura to get enough space and that is a bit big and heavy to inflate every time you use it so you will end up with a trailer anyway so a bigger motor wouldn't be a problem .

My25 yam on a futura used the same amount of fuel as my df70 suzuki on a 4.9 rib for half the performance . It was much more hassle to launch and recover due to the type and height of trailer it needed . For the cost of a futura trailer and motor new you could get a decent rib or hardboat on a trailer .
Thanks Ian

Prairie Tuber says the same (see my response) so now I'm back to the drawing board.

I had seen a 2003 model MK3 Futura, which I was very tempted by, but thanks for the warning if they are that heavy. Apart from lifting/packing I suppose I'd need an even bigger engine, which would probably rule out tiller steering.

It's a shame there isn't somewhere where you could actually go and try the various options out!!
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Old 03 December 2007, 16:34   #17
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Thanks Ian

Prairie Tuber says the same (see my response) so now I'm back to the drawing board.

I had seen a 2003 model MK3 Futura, which I was very tempted by, but thanks for the warning if they are that heavy. Apart from lifting/packing I suppose I'd need an even bigger engine, which would probably rule out tiller steering.

It's a shame there isn't somewhere where you could actually go and try the various options out!!

My futura was on a proper break back sib trailer . Compared to a normal roller or bunk trailer it was a pain for launching . The trailer supports under the tubes hence the boat sits quite high so it won't just float off . Also the motor needs seperate support so its wieght doesn't damage the tubes so you spend extra time sorting that out . However 5 of you would probably be able to lift it on and off the water by hand unless the kids are small .
At half throttle it did 18mph and at wot it did just over 20 . You could feel the resistance of the floppy hull building up , I wanted a bigger motor but came to the conclusion it would probably just push water backwards faster for a small gain in speed .
I do like tiller steering and would love to try something like my little valiant with a 50 hp tiller steer , maybe thats your route .
The bigest 4m honda with an alloy floor 30 would be my choice for a sib as the hull is much more rigid and its half the price of a futura .
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My futura was on a proper break back sib trailer . Compared to a normal roller or bunk trailer it was a pain for launching . The trailer supports under the tubes hence the boat sits quite high so it won't just float off . Also the motor needs seperate support so its wieght doesn't damage the tubes so you spend extra time sorting that out . However 5 of you would probably be able to lift it on and off the water by hand unless the kids are small .
At half throttle it did 18mph and at wot it did just over 20 . You could feel the resistance of the floppy hull building up , I wanted a bigger motor but came to the conclusion it would probably just push water backwards faster for a small gain in speed .
I do like tiller steering and would love to try something like my little valiant with a 50 hp tiller steer , maybe thats your route .
The bigest 4m honda with an alloy floor 30 would be my choice for a sib as the hull is much more rigid and its half the price of a futura .
.....and Parksey is partial to a pair of Speedos.
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Tiller Steering

As a dive club we used to run a couple of ex RNLI 40hp Mariners on tiller steering, on a couple of SIBS, with no problems, even the slightly built girls in the club used to drive them! Some of us even used to sling the outboards over our shoulders and carry them up the beach (wouldn't like to try it these days though!).
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There shouldn't be any issues operating a 40 or 50 hp tiller. Tiller handles tend to become longer with increased hp to provide the operator with more mechanical advantage. Tiller controlled outboards of up to 200 hp are quite common in North America.

The other concern I'd have about the Zodiac Futura is that unless it is a military one, it will be constructed of PVC rather than hypalon, which will give you about a 1/3 of the life expectancy. The FC-470 is Zodiac's military version of a Mark III futura (4.7m) which is made of 1880 dtx hypalon, weighs 330 lbs (150 kg) and costs about twice that of it's PVC recreational counterpart.
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