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Old 18 July 2018, 13:10   #1
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2 stroke law requirements

I emailed a guy selling 2 strokes on ebay. I asked him what proof he needed to buy one.

He just replied that you need to be a fisherman with license, Sole trader etc with legitimate use and club/scout group
This law isnt very clear as to what use.
So if I run a group of lads, like the scouts, do i qualify? What do you need, a letter head?
Do they as a dealer/seller need to give proof?


I wish I still took my lad to the scouts. I would buy one threw them
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Old 18 July 2018, 13:19   #2
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As I've mentioned a couple of times recently when I was phoning around for a new OB recently two Tohatsu dealers offered the info... why don't you consider a 2-stroke, we just need you to sign a declaration that it's for your business... knowing full well I didn't have a business that needed an outboard.

So it's a loophole fiddle and up to you if you want to go for it. The downside may be that if you had to claim for a stolen OB of dubious provenance the ins co may be asking how you were able to legally own it??? I don't know just a thought.

Anyway if you can afford a new hooky 2-stroke then a legit 4-stroke is in the same ball park.
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A pal of mine enquired with BHG about a new 2 stroke and they wanted his fishing licence details
Maybe other dealers have different interpretations of the rules.
But to be honest up to 25-30hp I'd rather have an old school 2 stroke anyday
The modern 4 strokes wont have the longevity of the previous two strokes.
15-20 years would be my guesstimate for lifespan of the current crop whilst many old two strokes are still going strong at 30 and 40 years old
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A pal of mine enquired with BHG about a new 2 stroke and they wanted his fishing licence details
Maybe other dealers have different interpretations of the rules.
But to be honest up to 25-30hp I'd rather have an old school 2 stroke anyday
The modern 4 strokes wont have the longevity of the previous two strokes.
15-20 years would be my guesstimate for lifespan of the current crop whilst many old two strokes are still going strong at 30 and 40 years old

I wont live as long as any of them.
Its not that what attracts me. Its the weight loss
Yamaha 15hp 2 stroke 38kg
Yamaha 15hp 4 stroke 51kg.
Thats a lot of weight loss
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Yep its a no brainer if you want portability realy. If you can get hold of one I'd go for it
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Old 18 July 2018, 17:04   #6
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The tohatsu 4st is only 43kg, Suzuki 44kg,
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To be fair though dredge you are quoting a 15hp 4-stroke that is overweight by current standards... the go-to brands have the 15hp's down to 43/44kg as Poly says and you can have the 20hp version for the same weight... yes still more but much nearer.

And re longevity I would bet that given servicing by the book both bought today a new 4-stroke would last at least as long as a new 2-stroke.

But given typical ownership profiles as they age the 4-strokes will suffer from missed oil/filter changes, using cheap oils, forgotten valve clearance checks and missed timing belt changes etc.... owner induced failure.
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BTW I have no particular axe to grind re 2-stroke vs 4-stroke but if you are making a choice base it on all the facts. It may not matter to dredge but for me the 4-strokes rock steady behaviour and low noise at trolling speeds is a real benefit... as is the ability to put left over fuel in a petrol car so you can use fresh fuel every time in the OB to cut down on ethanol issues.
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And re longevity I would bet that given servicing by the book both bought today a new 4-stroke would last at least as long as a new 2-stroke.

But given typical ownership profiles as they age the 4-strokes will suffer from missed oil/filter changes, using cheap oils, forgotten valve clearance checks and missed timing belt changes etc.... owner induced failure.
I expect the 2 strokes are typically old robust designs, whereas the more modern 4 stroke designs probably have built in obsolescence, unless they just rely on the salt...
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BTW I have no particular axe to grind re 2-stroke vs 4-stroke but if you are making a choice base it on all the facts. It may not matter to dredge but for me the 4-strokes rock steady behaviour and low noise at trolling speeds is a real benefit... as is the ability to put left over fuel in a petrol car so you can use fresh fuel every time in the OB to cut down on ethanol issues.


I have a hookey 2st and have to say if I could make the choice again I would have gone for a 4,no marine shops near me so if I run out of 2 stroke oil Iím screwed, and as said always having a fuel tank with 2 stroke mix I canít use for anything else
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