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Old 13 February 2008, 11:38   #11
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Actually there is a pushbuttony sort of looking thing in the front of the engine where one might expect a starter button to go but it seems to be permanently affixed. I actually tried to push it thinking it might be a button but it is not. It is definitely a different kind of plastic than the areas surrounding it and it does seem to be a cap. It is under the cowl though. I would think the starter should be on the front or outside of the cowl. In either case, this is good stuff. I think my weekend plans are forming!
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Old 13 February 2008, 19:53   #12
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How old is the engine? I may have a PDF workshop manual for it.
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Old 13 February 2008, 21:21   #13
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it's a 1999 model.
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Actually there is a pushbuttony sort of looking thing in the front of the engine where one might expect a starter button to go but it seems to be permanently affixed. I actually tried to push it thinking it might be a button but it is not.
Unless it's a stuck button? Any wires out the back of it?

Sounds a lot like my old Suz. I had two blanking plates - one big one over what would be the starter key switch, the other over what would be the E- stop / deadman. If that was the case (i.e. electric start, tiller control) I would have thought those would be obvious. Makes me think there will be a big (6+ pin) connector, probably down the LH side (as you would look at it from in the boat) which may have been tucked out of harm's way or just dropped down into the bowels of the engine if it's not supported by the cable.

If it was a full remote control machine, there will be more holes at the front (probably 3, near where the battery cables come through the casing) to let the throtttle / gear cables and the remote wiring out.

It crosses my mind that if it cranked when you connected the battery, the "start" pin (assuming the plug is hiding somewhere under the cyl / carb) shorted against something metallic?


Good luck at the weekend.....
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Old 14 February 2008, 09:56   #15
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Definitely don't like the sound of anything shorting out under the cowl. Will have to have my look-see. I'll try to see if I can find that connector on the sides of the engine. At least it doesn't sound like i'm going to have to try to manufacture or make my own retrofit. Not knowing much about outboards i'd be afraid to fry some little, important, expensive electrical bit
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I've got the cowl off as I type and I have found out all kinds of good stuff. Throttle doesn't go full wide (gonna adjust that of course!!) open there's about 20 degrees left at the plate when the twist is full open. The Gear adjustment is off wasn't going into neutral as smoothly as it does with the cowl and pull start off and I can now see ALL the wiring. Gonna take a snack break and have back at it. it's really not that bad in their at all. Always felt comfortable under the hood (bonnet?) of a car but thought the outboard would be a completely different animal. Turns out, not so much. Wanted to take the time to thank you guys for the assist.
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Old 16 February 2008, 18:40   #17
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No problem

Unfortunately the PDF manual I've got here doesn't go as far as '99.
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Old 16 February 2008, 19:26   #18
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Attached a few de-cowled pics. Hit a bit of a bump. Figures. Everything was going great until while cleaning around in the engine a piece of metal hits the ground. I don't believe I broke it off anything (unless it happened when the engine fell a couple of days ago). It may even have been in there from the previous owner. In any case it appears to be a part of a circlip. It appears the entire clip would have been about an inch and a half to two inches across. Any clues. I attached a picture. Would hate to get out on the water a month from now and have the bottom half fall off!
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Hmmm.... that's a hard question.

It doesn't look like an internal circlip-the outer edge is rounded. It looks more like an external e-clip but it's too big for anything I can think of on the engine unless it's come from up around the recoil starter( worth checking) or the tiller. It does look like it's been broken by someone removing it-that's the way they always seem to break when removing them.In which case it might have just landed in there when it went 'ping' and flew off something unrelated before you bought it.

It's certainly not anything loadbearing.
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Attached a few de-cowled pics. Hit a bit of a bump. Figures. Everything was going great until while cleaning around in the engine a piece of metal hits the ground. I don't believe I broke it off anything (unless it happened when the engine fell a couple of days ago). It may even have been in there from the previous owner. In any case it appears to be a part of a circlip. It appears the entire clip would have been about an inch and a half to two inches across. Any clues. I attached a picture. Would hate to get out on the water a month from now and have the bottom half fall off!
Hola Sinistre1

Although it's a very cheap and stupid part, let me tell you that because of this ruinned an entire Evi 15 HP 2 stroke engine, that happened years ago, I was so pissed because of such event, theat even wrote the Evi technical manger because of the problem to make a claim and how to modify/replace the defective part for a better one and less harmfull. Find real factory carelessness that a cheap part can at least be crome plated so to avoid going to two pieces (generally that's the problem).

If it's the part I'm surely thinking of, you are a lucky owner, because the other part still might be sitting where it was supposed to be and you have found the other half.

Right now going for a Sea Rider 420 Sib test, but when I come, will put the whole unknown issue so you and other Ribneters be aware of the 10/15 HP Evi/Joh menace problem.

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