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Old 07 January 2010, 03:46   #21
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how big then? you can't get all that kit on something much smaller without failing the survey with free board, my info never came from the 280 brief notes but from the horses mouth, mca southampton, i would also like to hear from any cabin rib guys with coded boats, i'm brewing up for a war with them over cat2 coding, they say that a cabin like the scorpion is not cat 2 but in there brief it just say's permanent fixed enclosure not wheel house as they want, i pionted out that the cabin had more space than the liferafts they want me to carry and they agreed, then they said quote "it's not we had in mind when we thought about cat2" my advise to you would be do what you feel is right for safety cause sure as f*&k they haven't a clue
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Old 07 January 2010, 07:38   #22
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Ive seen a 4.5m Coded RIB in Amble Marina Northumberland.

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Old 07 January 2010, 07:49   #23
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that must have looked stupid with 2x life rings, 2xanchors, liferaft, flares, compass,radar reflector, etc, etc, the only thing i can think is they had a transom to the top of the tubes with a x long shaft engine on the back, it's the only way it would test up
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that must have looked stupid with 2x life rings, 2xanchors, liferaft, flares, compass,radar reflector, etc, etc, the only thing i can think is they had a transom to the top of the tubes with a x long shaft engine on the back, it's the only way it would test up
Liferaft was on a frame on the bow, life rings on a frame.

All 4.5m RIBs would be long shaft, easy enough to put a skirt on it though.

Dangerous really all that weight in such a small boat.

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dangerous yes, that is one of my gripes with them, they should be promoting safety but they're not, most of the blokes at the mca are yaghties or big boat people, i invited them out on mine but they couldn't be bothered, how can these idiots make policy on something they haven't been on or have what seems no idea about, most of the boat manufacturers have on the smaller boats the same mouldings that were for 2 stroke engines, they haven't altered there transoms or moulds for more displacement for the heavier kit again dangerous
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Old 07 January 2010, 09:45   #26
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Dangerous really all that weight in such a small boat.
Which bit is particularly heavy?

2x life rings, - can't be that heavy they float
2*x anchors, - you'd have one anyway, the kedge only needs to be 3.6 kg and its warp can be used as a tow rope
liferaft*, - only has to be big enough for the number of people the boat is coded for - so surely thats possible with less than 30 kg?
flares, you'd be carrying them anyway (and possibly more than the min 2reds, 2smokes)
compass, - you'd have one anyway
radar reflector*, not heavy

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If the boat is only opperating as Cat 6 (quite possible for a small boat) 2nd anchor not required; and liferaft only needs to be open type (and in very limited cirumstances [annex 4] may not even need a liferaft; radar reflector not 100% mandatory

There's people on here with Seariders, small Humbers etc, not to mention SIBs who go on reasonable cruises carrying pretty much everything you need except for the liferaft - but quite often with an aux.
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you've forgot the etc etc, to my mind in a boat that size OTT and in constant danger of swamping at rest
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In some respects I agree about the RIB size as I looked at a new 5.35 and 5.85 and when you look at what kit is needed for coding with a liferaft , it is the liferaft that takes up room and is about 40kg for a 6 man ISO craft. I settled for a 585 for additional space rather than the wieght issue.
The rest of the kit is easy in weight but we have had to discuss consul locations and liferaft location to get a good balanced RIB. The next decision was whether to have the craft in a cradle side on or cradle flat. I settled for flat to not place a balance issue of 40kg being bounced/thrown with forces created. Once I have the RIB loaded I will post an image or two
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In some respects I agree about the RIB size as I looked at a new 5.35 and 5.85 and when you look at what kit is needed for coding with a liferaft , it is the liferaft that takes up room and is about 40kg for a 6 man ISO craft. I settled for a 585 for additional space rather than the wieght issue.
The rest of the kit is easy in weight but we have had to discuss consul locations and liferaft location to get a good balanced RIB. The next decision was whether to have the craft in a cradle side on or cradle flat. I settled for flat to not place a balance issue of 40kg being bounced/thrown with forces created. Once I have the RIB loaded I will post an image or two
i'm assuming with boat sizes quoted you're going for a ribtec, worked on probaly 100 boats for them, i have a transom dam mould for a 585, you might need it for the freeboard
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i'm assuming with boat sizes quoted you're going for a ribtec, worked on probaly 100 boats for them, i have a transom dam mould for a 585, you might need it for the freeboard
Cheers you are correct Ribtec 585 . We are not sure yet if it needs this as this is the latest with a transom I think of 21inches (think that right?/) .

If I need a dam, do you make it from the mould? I have discussed this before with surveyor and we think the new transom gives the freeboard needed but Ribeye have said a dam can be fitted if needed
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