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Old 08 October 2009, 17:16   #11
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Sorry a little confused again!

My boat will only every operate upto 12 miles offshore.

There is currently an argument about if it is a commercial boat or not as it is a large police rib.

If it is a commercial boat what first aid kit must it carry under the MCA codes?

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I thought the Police had their own codes - I was sent some a couple of years ago - or are they not used any more?
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Old 08 October 2009, 17:22   #12
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Sorry a little confused again!

My boat will only every operate upto 12 miles offshore.

There is currently an argument about if it is a commercial boat or not as it is a large police rib.

If it is a commercial boat what first aid kit must it carry under the MCA codes?

Cheers

Mike
Mike, Here is the relevant section.
23. Medical Stores
23.1 Medical stores should be carried in accordance with the requirements set out in a Merchant Shipping Notice, currently MSN 1768 (M+F). This requires medical stores according to the distance from shore that a vessel operates. For vessels in Area Categories 2,3,4,5 and 6 Category C stores are required, as listed in Annex 2. For vessels in Area Category 1, Category B stores are required, and for Area Category 0, Category A stores are required. For details of the requirements for Category A and B stores reference should be made to MSN 1768 (M+F).
You will not be opperating in Areas 1 or 0 therefore you need "Category C medical stores" (if you are coded). The other requirements are all here: http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/mcga-mn...04CA95E9786#23
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The thing I hate about Cat C kits is that sure they are full of stuff we have never used but it's that plastic bag they come in...how the heck even when they are inside tough plastic first aid boxes do they get pinholes in them? The number of them I have opened to find the contents mouldy and damp is incredible, even when still well within date.

Opening them is even worse , once they are opened thats it!

I suppose a lot of guys do what we do, keep them safe on the boats wrapped up in as much waterproof covering as poss and keep a seperate non coded first aid kit for general scrapes and minor cuts.
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Sorry a little confused again!

My boat will only every operate upto 12 miles offshore.

There is currently an argument about if it is a commercial boat or not as it is a large police rib.

If it is a commercial boat what first aid kit must it carry under the MCA codes?

Cheers

Mike
Mike, are you one of the chaps who run the new MST rib out of Portishead?

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I am - I am part of the police dive team. The boat was purchased for counter terrorism work but we use (when it works) it as a dive platform and for general patrol.

Regarding the codes - we have police boat codes of practise but the current argument is about do we need to comply with the mca codes as well.

If we do then I guess we need the cat C first aid kit?


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Hi Doug,

...I will stand corrected if stating that Cat C first aid kit was required was incorrect...
No, Cat C is correct if he is coding to SCV, cat 3 or 4 would be his options.

Looking back I misread you post, Sorry. The vessel does indeed need a cat C "to hand" I mis read the theme and thought your surveyor had said that the raft's Cat C kit MUST be kept in the grab bag for inspection purposes.

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All seemed quite logical to me too......
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Must admit, throughout the coding experience it was at times frustrating to learn of different assesors interpretations....it all seemed a bit loose /open to interpretation (the 250mm freeboard issue /Emergency steering interpretations to name two).
To be honest much of it is not that loose, it is simply mis interpreted. When ever I have a coding inspection I am armed with the code so that I can discuss/argue anything i don't like the sound of, I also keep copies of old SCV2s to demonstrate where other boats have been allowed XYZ by a previous surveyor.

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I am also perplexed as to how some RIBs achieve Cat 3 without shelter....I know there is a way you can show that a RIB 'tent' is available, but I know of another operator with NO shelter who has cat 3 (20 miles SH day and night)........
I have come across Cat 3 coded RIBs where they are specifically limited to 3NM by night but have the 20NM by day.

I have heard of unrestricted cat 3 RIBs but only second hand on this forum and have not actully come across one.

Getting back to the question in hand assuming the boat is coding to SCV code then cat C is the correct First Aid Kit, as already mentioned it is worth suplimenting with a day to day kit
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Hi Mike,

any Jobs ???

its Andy, onwner of the Mabel Alice in Portishead?

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I am - I am part of the police dive team. The boat was purchased for counter terrorism work but we use (when it works) it as a dive platform and for general patrol.

Regarding the codes - we have police boat codes of practise but the current argument is about do we need to comply with the mca codes as well.

If we do then I guess we need the cat C first aid kit?


Mike
Mike,

The answer is no Police vessels are exempt MCA Codes. See para 1.8 Page 15 MGN280 available on MCA website.

"1.8
Seagoing police boats should be surveyed and certificated in accordance with the “Code of Practice for all Police Craft” published by the General Purposes and Marine Subcommittee of the Association of Chief Police Officers, and which is covered by the General Exemption issued on behalf of the Secretary of State."

Although I understand the “Code of Practice for all Police Craft” is under review. Whilst in effect there is not a great deal of difference between the two if it meets the requirements of MGN280 it will meet the requirements of the ACPO Code.

If you PM me with a Police e-mail address I may be able to send you a copy of the Code.
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get the cat c pack and then make up a small kit of stuff use would use from day to day, like plasters, sea sick pill's etc, saves opening the big one in a storm and getting everything wet
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