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Old 25 June 2008, 14:00   #11
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The confusion with the RYA is probably a result of very old information -
At one time the RYA had some sort of connection.
Not sure of the exact History im sure someone with more grey hair than me could tell us.
or an insurance company just making it up as they go along
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I know of other charter companies that offer wake boarding and skiing and they only have a skipper on board (presumably qualified for skiing) with the customers. Do you need an instructor even if the people know what they're doing?
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Old 25 June 2008, 16:31   #13
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Wow, you guys have gov certification requirements for EVERYTHING?!
Correct, lots of rules and regulations, thats how a soggy little country on the edge of North West Europe came to run an empire that covered a quarter of the world

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If people can ski/ board and there is no instruction then you can regard it as a tow which you only need to have your SBDA.

Guidlines state a qualified driver and spotter to man the tow boat.

Might be worth calling the BWSF and getting the up to date guidelines

Water skiing also comes into the scope of AALA - if its under 18's
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Might be worth mentioning that most skiers / boarders looking for just a tow will prefer a tournament boat ( Mastercraft / Nautic ) rather than a rib

Also waterskiing is very weather / wave dependant - essential to be factored into any business plan.

How do i know ...... well lol
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or an insurance company just making it up as they go along
Just dug out my first powerboat log book - front cover has a fletcher (gto?) on the front
(Those were the days no big fenders round your boat on level 2 lol)

At some point ( <1990 / 1995 ) RYA did a sports boat driver award
They also had an involvment with the BCU & PADI - RLSS not been involved with them myself so not exactlt sure of the retationship
Think BWSF, PADI & BCU all now carry out their own training
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Correct, lots of rules and regulations, thats how a soggy little country on the edge of North West Europe came to run an empire that covered a quarter of the world

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LoL! I see no reason to twist your nose, so I'll leave that one alone.
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I have not got grey hair but I do remember the olden days of Level 3 and 4.

Back in the late eighties / early nineties after RYA Level 2 you could go down various different routes.

There was 5 different Level 3 certs, namely
BWSF Si Boat Driver
BSAC Diver Cox'n
RYA Club Rescue
BCU Canoe Umpire
RLSS Intermedaite Boat Handling

Three of these then led onto their respective Level 4 certificates

BWSF Adavnced Driver
RYA Fleet Rescue
RLSS Rescue Cox

The majority of people followed down the RYA route as back then most powerboat courses were for people who were dinghy/windsurf instructors.

IN the early nineties BSAC decided then would prefer to run their own scheme, principally because back then RYA recognistion was site specific and every site had to be inspected, where as BSAC clubs wanted the freedom to dive/powerboat at different venues.

In the mean time the BWSF became the BWS by loosing the Federation part of their name and decieded to re write their training scheme, they now have a SBDA (which started this thread) which is broadly speaking Level 2 with some towing and recovery of skiers, they also have 2 higher certs for competeition drivers

Im not sure what happend to the BCU ticket but I think it had such low numbers it did not make sense. Kayaks and canoes can access so many water streches that powerboats can not get into.

The RLSS tickets Tim G could proabbally tell you more about.

IN 1996 when the RYA updated the powerboat scheme they decided to amalgamate the old Level 3 and 4 into one course (now known as the safetyboat) and add an advanced ticket. This was manily due to the number of people now taking the level 2 as they wanted to drive powerbaots but had no intrest in fleet rescue/safetyboating. It was an appropriate time to brand their courses RYA only.
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