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Old 03 May 2007, 17:56   #81
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Sorry,

But for the length of time it takes to put a life jacket on then this is the minimum that should be done.

And if you don't agree with that then fine, but then tell me why you fine fellows always wear one when your on your own RIB.

We know it doesn't happen every time but it might and thats why we wear the life jackets. No different to a seatbelt. You've got it so use it.

Now if people were ranting and raving about the fact he didn't have a life raft or everyone didn't have their own VHF or flare then that would be daft. But lifejackets have just got to be the most basic thing you wear on a small boat. As I said before just like a seatbelt in a car or a helmet on a motorbike. the bare minimum.

They aren't made for fun. They are a serious item and made to save lives.

Next person step forward please !!!!
Have you noticed how all coaches etc must now have seatbelts fitted - of course how many people actually WEAR them? None going by the crash of the National Express coach a few months ago.

Same with school buses - how many kids will actually wear them?
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Old 03 May 2007, 18:04   #82
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Have you noticed how all coaches etc must now have seatbelts fitted - of course how many people actually WEAR them? None going by the crash of the National Express coach a few months ago.
Good idea, badly implemented.
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Good idea, badly implemented.
How many people want to be trussed up like a chicken when they are kipping on a coach trip or watching a film?

Then again I HATE coach travel - they always make me sick. Never been air sick or sea sick but coaches get me everytime. What gets me is when they say "Executive Travel" - how many executives travel by coach - unless the learjet pilot has a day off of course!!!
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With all due respect, and with attention to codders post #71 and JK's #75, the coding says: you must carry life jackets for each person on board and 2 [two] extra if you are using CO2 inflating type life jackets.

nothing is said about making each passenger wearing a life jacket on each voyage.

THEY DO NOT HAVE TO WEAR THEM BY LAW

there are enough of you who write on here who are coded and licensed to know the laws.

yes, it takes longer to issue and fit a jacket to each and every person,
yes, time is money,
yes, what price on a life......

But....

even though this person might not be doing it how YOU would do it...

is he breaking his coding and the MCA's requierments...

NO

are the MCA aware of him

YES

does he know about the slagg1ng off he's getting ...?

NO


If it was me on the recieving end of this I'd be pretty p1ssed off....


like I said before... it's a lively debate.
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But lifejackets have just got to be the most basic thing you wear on a small boat. As I said before just like a seatbelt in a car or a helmet on a motorbike. the bare minimum.
Would you apply this to all trip boat operators, or just RIBs?

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if he is operating withing the law/guidelines then i guess he is fine in that respect, i certainly would not put my kids/wife on a fast rib/boat ride with no lifejacket,, if it was just me then i think i would be ok with it but not the kids.

i have looked at these boat trips in the past and if i dont like the look of the skipper and how he goes about things or how he treats the passengers or the condition of the boat and equipment then i just walk away. i apply the same sort of logic to any rides

i guess we are mostly lucky in knowing better and are perhaps better informed to make a careful decision as we have experience of using boats whereas many of his passengers may not.

i guess what most people and a good many at least would say on here is that they would not go on a trip with this operator unless they could wear a proper fitting lifejacket or maybe not atall.
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i guess what most people and a good many at least would say on here is that they would not go on a trip with this operator unless they could wear a proper fitting lifejacket or maybe not atall.
You can... there is a sign on the back of the seats telling you exactly that.
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You can... there is a sign on the back of the seats telling you exactly that.
i dont think it says they are proper fitting lifejackets, just life jackets! and unless you can see what they look like first they may not be confidence inspiring.
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Also, a simple risk assessment for the operator's business should show something like :

Risk - Passenger falls overboard and drowns
Mitigation - Insist passengers wear lifejackets.
Risk assesments are subjective.

I would suggest that you could equally well assess the risk as follows:

RISK - passenger falls overboard.

LIKLIHOOD - low: provided responsible driving style employed, and reasonable wave heights being encountered. All passengers are seated on jockey seats in the centre of a large boat (not on tubes). No previous history (I assume) of MoB from this vessel. MoB's not perceived as actually being a common occurance on commercial RIBs with jockey seats opperated responsibly.

IMPACT - potential loss of life especially for non swimmer (therefore ensure lifejackets are available and signage clear to that effect). Given the high manouverability of the craft, and the location of all passengers in front of the crew it is likely that any MoB could be quickly and successfully recovered without serious consequences.


I am not saying that this is the correct analysis of risk - but it if I was on the jury I could be convinced!
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the only jury I would worry about is the one where the ribnet police are defending themselves against defamatory remarks

come on, lets ruin the guy; we know best even if the MCA won't act, we will in our capacity of babysitters for all things rib related
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