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Old 20 June 2013, 13:29   #31
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there are more car accidents but they don't penalise the experienced,
I don't know. You'll need a medical (yes another one!) at 70 to keep your towing entitlements. And I'm sure that PSV drivers (which is a closer analogy to commercial skippers) are made to jump through hoops on a recurring basis too.

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Old 20 June 2013, 14:07   #32
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Only having some fun Poly, but I won't be swayed on this one, starting another thread now, has anyone had fuel stolen from there boat
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Yes, they also took the engines
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Bugger, not really looked at anti theft for outboards, I know there are a lot of stuff out there but obviously doesn't work, I'll have to have a think
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I can't think of any way of making them secure. If you make them too secure to the transom they'll just take a chunk of that with them as well!
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I can't think of any way of making them secure. If you make them too secure to the transom they'll just take a chunk of that with them as well!
That happens here (Netherlands) a lot so when I laminated my stern I glued in a couple of stainless steel bars.

A good way to lock an outboard is a chain round the tail. With my E-Tec that will take quite a bit of work to remove it, and it will be difficult not to cause damage.
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You can fluff it up anyway you like Poly it still the same bullox, I got a reminder that my ticket was up for renewal and I now have to do another module that wasn't there last time, I can take it on line, as many times as I like as long as I pay the fee, now tell me that's not just a money maker, like my old dad used to say, don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining
Biffer is right.

1) The RYA recently announced that you had to do a two day first aid course - except for their one day first aid course, which was still permitted.

2) Several years ago I qualified as a Regional Mark Layer. All fine and dandy but I was recently sent correspondence saying I needed to re-qualify and I had to list which race officials conference I'd been to. Needless to say I'd not been to any and they cost bucks to go to!

Sometimes I really feel like a valued volunteer/bank!

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........as a commercial diver I had one medical, then as skipper another, and as race boat driver another, how many feckin medicinal s does it take, they should cross over, two of them are on the same bit of paper with different titles for Christ sake, have to do first aid for diving, even CPR in the water, doesn't cross over, it's not the 30 odd quid its the principle of it
Well actually he is right, there should be some cross over.... and there is. The HSE Divers Medical can be used as an alternative for your commercial endorsement as a skipper, there is no need to take a second medical (cant comment on the race one though).

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1) The RYA recently announced that you had to do a two day first aid course - except for their one day first aid course, which was still permitted.
Unfortunately your wrong on this. The RYA have never announced that you had to do a 2 day First Aid Course, they have in fact recently announced a large list off various First Aid Courses that they will accept as alternatives to their own, many of those courses are one day, they are also willing to consider others that are not yet on their ever growing list, subject to it matching some basic requirements.

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2) Several years ago I qualified as a Regional Mark Layer. All fine and dandy but I was recently sent correspondence saying I needed to re-qualify and I had to list which race officials conference I'd been to. Needless to say I'd not been to any and they cost bucks to go to!

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They have effectively said that if you can prove you are current (by having been to a conference) then you don't need to pay for an update course, seems quite reasonable to me.

Funnily enough Poly is actually right, the RYA get slammed for things like the commercial endorsement being too easy, then they find a cheap way of raising the game of COC holders and you slam them for improving things. A 37 course is hardly the end of the world.

Roger Towner of the MCA actually told me first hand that he and the MCA wanted to bring in a week long commercial endorsement theory course that you would have to take after your had passed your COC, it was the RYA that produced a 37 short online course as an alternative and persuaded the MCA that their original idea was OTT.

As far as grand father rights for the PPR goes, the whole reason we have the PPR is that there were so many COC holders who were unaware of their legal responsibilities, you only have to trawl through the last few years of this forum to see how many full time professional skippers of many years were unaware of even the basics and were in fact regularly and ignorantly working outside of the law. To grand father rights them all because they have been commercial skippers for a long time would have been madness.


Biff, you can call me a RYA disciple if you like, I happen to value what they do for us.
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They have effectively said that if you can prove you are current (by having been to a conference) then you don't need to pay for an update course, seems quite reasonable to me.
But the conference costs time and money plus none of this was mentioned when I signed up to do it - that's my point!

Last time I looked there were no 1 day first aid courses on the list. Which ones have been added that are one day then?

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Last time I looked there were no 1 day first aid courses on the list. Which ones have been added that are one day then?
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There are far too many to list here but of the top of my head the big two are

STCW'95 Elementary First Aid- this is the biggest selling first aid course in the marine sector world wide and has been on the list since the day the list was produced. It is a one day course and widely available.

HSE Emergency First Aid at Work is the biggest selling First Aid Course in Britian, although some centres are now badging it under Offqual or SQA, none the less all three names for what is essentially the same one day course are on the list.
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