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Old 08 April 2009, 12:43   #11
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Intresting points

I don't think there are many centre Principals who would send out a PBI with no safetyboat background to run a SB course. In fact there are very few non dinghy centres who would actually have the kit required to run a SB course.

I agree a good safetyboat instructor is liklky to be a PBI and DI and also likely to have spent some time with someone else being shown or taught how to run a good SB course.

On the basis that you are supposed to have done L2 before SB how does allowing SIs to run the SB help clubs. They still need PBIs to run the L2, likewsie they will need to be a PB Centre to run the SB course.
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Having worked with DI's, SI's and some PBI's I would scared to get them to teach the SB course. (SI's its normally due to lack of recent practice) Some DI’s scare me when they are driving PB let alone when they are teaching.

It used to be the case that to be a DI you didn't need to have a SB just an L2 and to be an SI you needed SB not sure if that’s still the case.

To do SB you need to be able to concentrate on what’s happening and not be concentrating on what you are doing with the rib i.e. that should be second nature.

The split from the old L3 and L4 course to SB increased the knowledge of skills and methods that most club drivers would have and was a good thing, but the removal of the information needed for big events was in my mind an omission, I understand the RYA racing section is putting together an Events SB course to go with the Mark Layer course they have just issued.

I think the issue is that you need to have the core powerboat skills before you can be taught to work the boat, unfortunately if those attending the course are not up to that level (i.e. passing a L2 DA with flying colours) do you have the time and PB skills to get them up to speed in the time and run the course?

I disagree that to be a good SBI you need to be a DI, but you do need to know what dinghies do and how they are rigged, so you can aid the crew in reefing / recovery with out damage to any parties (i.e. its not bolt croppers and sail knifing)

Just a few thoughts
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I think the rya need to look at why the uptake of the SBC is down, if it because of a shortage of instructors then allowing senior sailing instructors with a short conversion course may be the way forward (showing them how to coach powerboat coxswains as opposed to dinghy helmsman)

I think the problem lies with who needs the qualification and how it matches their needs. The only people who require the SBC are Senior sailing instructors and staff at RYA recognised teaching establishments. Most sailing clubs will have SB coxswains but may not require them to hold the qualification but have had some training. I perferred the old level 3 & 4 course it allowed for more time training to reach a similar level but had the flexability to allow trainees to reach the level they wanted without covering elements of the current course they dont need i.e do sailing clubs need to know how to rescue kayaks/canoes?
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I used to run the SB course for several lifeguard clubs in the Poole & Bournemouth area as they conducted safety cover for verious on water sporting events.
Which ones RLSS UK and SLSA GB both have their own IRB Helm course.


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Just because you teach sailing well does not qualify you to jump to SB Instructor level its two completely different disciplines that require different skill sets .

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i.e do sailing clubs need to know how to rescue kayaks/canoes?
In fairness this is an incredibly short part of the course and it re inforces the importance of dealing with the casualty in the water first and worrying about the kit second.
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I don't really understand what's being suggested by the RYA.

Are they suggesting that:

- DI/SIs can teach Safety Boat, or

- DI/SIs who are also PBI qualified should teach the SBC?

I can understand the latter - but it would seems a little stupid to suggest that non-PBIs teach a course which requires more technical knowledge and better boat handling skills than an L2 - which DOES require a PBI.

I suspect that the lack of SB courses being run is because lots of clubs consider L2 as the benchmark for club boat handling - and I'm not sure whether the RYA recommend/advise that the SB ticket is held - but I'm pretty sure it's not included in the club inspections. If it was, it would perhaps focus minds a little more.

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I don't really understand what's being suggested by the RYA.

Are they suggesting that:

- DI/SIs can teach Safety Boat, or

- DI/SIs who are also PBI qualified should teach the SBC?
The suggestion is that a SI (not a DI) could also teach the Safetyboat Course.
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I have safetyboat and PBI, so can teach safetyboat but having had very little dinghy experience, I wouldn't! I just don't feel confident enough to teach it yet.
I'm going to do my dinghy L1+2 in a few weeks, and I think that safetyboat instructors should have PBI and at least dinghy1+2 if not sailing instructor.
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