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Old 16 August 2012, 17:00   #1
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Revalidating A MCA Master 200

Ok, now I've got the Master 200, my mind now turns to revalidation in 5 years time! What is the form of the proof of sea service that the MCA will want to see. Discharge book, PYA book, my own records? It seems a bit vague at this level...at 500gt level you obviously a discharge book is the right thing but most of my time is spent jumping from one workboat to another rather than being formally signed on to a ship for several months at a time........any ideas?
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Old 16 August 2012, 21:08   #2
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Ok, now I've got the Master 200, my mind now turns to revalidation in 5 years time! What is the form of the proof of sea service that the MCA will want to see. Discharge book, PYA book, my own records? It seems a bit vague at this level...at 500gt level you obviously a discharge book is the right thing but most of my time is spent jumping from one workboat to another rather than being formally signed on to a ship for several months at a time........any ideas?
There is an MGN about revalidation, but it mostly deals with larger commercial vessels.

Discharge book entries will be required, along with bridge watchkeeping certificates if you are looking to upgrade. As I work on foriegn flagged vessels I also need a discharge certificate as well.
You will need to show 6 months sea time in the preceding 5 years, on larger vessels, but some types of vessel count as 1/2 time, so you will need longer.

Our mooring Masters/Pilots revalidate their licences using a combination of signing onto a tug for a month at a time (even if they are not living on board) and if you can do the same with a support vessel, it would help. They also get a letter from the employer stating that they are involved with mooring and piloting of vessels, how many/names of different vessels that they has berthed and some dates.

With your particular circumstances, I would give the MCA, seafarer standards branch a ring, or an email to clarify what you need.

Good luck!

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Just revalidating mine as we speak all MCA asked for was a letter from company detailing type if work done in the last 5 years which had to be a total of 12 months in the last 5 years.
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Thanks for the advice chaps...I have applied for a discharge book today and emailed the query to the MCA so will report back when I hear.
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I have a PYA logbook and I have been very lazy at keeping records or handing it to previous employers, also you need to get a stamp next to each entry. you also have to get testimonials filled out and send logbook and testimonials all the way to france, a lot of messing around. Check this link out if you are working towards OOW (YACHTS) http://www.dft.gov.uk/mca/training_r...on_22_04-2.pdf

IMPORTANT NOTICE TO CANDIDATES
This TRAINING RECORD BOOK is part of the Qualification Requirements for Officer of the
Watch (Yachts) Certification – OOW(Y). When fully completed, it must be presented to the
Examiner at the UK Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA) when you attend to sit your oral
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Just had a look at MGN (9), which deals with revalidation, and I am afraid it does not look so promising, unless you have heard different from the MCA.

Looks like you need to be signed on to an ocean going vessel over 24 M in length for 12 months in the preceding 5 years to revalidate.

Or you can sail as OOW for 3 months as supernumary on a vessel, during which time you will need to update your professional knowledge.

If you are an ocean going vessel, then either of the above will get you a revalidation of your radio licence.

Failing all of the above it looks like back to college to do a revalidation course (which might be the easiest option, depanding on your circumstances), however I do not know how long, or the cost of the course is.

It also lists a number of occupations which are exempt from the sea time qualifications, but I do not know if you would fall under any of those.

There is a final route, and that would be to apply to the MCA citing your occupation as an accepted one, and they may accept this, and revalidate your licence on that basis.

Good luck and hope you get a positive response from them!

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As you can read in MGN 1802 the sea time requirement to revalitate a master 200 (Code vessel) is only six month.
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I also think that mgn 9 was written before the master 200t was even a thought!!!
It's aimed at 500t + tickets
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I stand suitably admonished!

Sorry for the confusion.
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As someone who has been involved in the revalidation procedures for the MCA CoC's for many years may I tell you all that the revalidation process is shown in MSN 1802. DO NOT USE MGN9 as this is for Merchant Navy Deck Officer CoC's and was written before the M<200gt was even thought about.
To revalidate you should produce;
  • completed MCA CoC Revalidation Form; the link to MCA form is, https://afrmmcanet.mcga.gov.uk/forms...01_REV0712.pdf
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  • GMDSS ROC or GOC CoC (also requires revalidation every 5 years with similar evidence)
  • two forms of documentation showing the service and these can be a discharge book or Certificate of Discharge and Testimonials for each vessel. what we have been able to agree with the authorities is that a letter from the Company signed and stamped by a senior person, Marine Super/Owner etc will be accepted as one form of evidence.
For those who move into a management role and who no longer drive boats you may still be able to revalidate your CoC through a Company declaration stating what you do. The MCA may then consider this is suitable alternative employment.

Incidentally, the MCA will require the two forms of evidence (testimonial + cert of discharge/discharge book) if you want ot progress to the OOW (Yacht) <3000gt whioch is the nest level of CoC. the best bet is to ensure that you collect these at least when you leave a company but better at the end of each contract (not trip or voyage) on a vessel.

Hope this helps clarify for you all
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