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Old 28 August 2012, 16:06   #11
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Thanks for your replies chaps.

John, can you answer a couple of specific questions for me:

1. I now have a discharge book, it arrived today. It says in the front that "the holder must not make any entry or alteration in this discharge book etc etc" If this is the case, then how does it get completed if for instance I am working as Master on a delivery trip for instance? Is it the case that if the Mate also has a MCA Masters then he can fill in my discharge book and I can fill in his?

2. Can I only use the discharge book to record voyages on UK registered vessels or can it be used to record any passage on any vessel?

Thanks in advance.

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Old 28 August 2012, 19:56   #12
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Thanks for your replies chaps.

John, can you answer a couple of specific questions for me:

1. I now have a discharge book, it arrived today. It says in the front that "the holder must not make any entry or alteration in this discharge book etc etc" If this is the case, then how does it get completed if for instance I am working as Master on a delivery trip for instance? Is it the case that if the Mate also has a MCA Masters then he can fill in my discharge book and I can fill in his?

2. Can I only use the discharge book to record voyages on UK registered vessels or can it be used to record any passage on any vessel?

Thanks in advance.

Will
On larger vessels we do the following,

1, The joining Master will fill in and sign the outgoing Masters discharge book.

2, We use the discharge book to record voyages on any flag of vessel, however the MCA may want to see a certificate of discharge (also made out on board) to back up the discharge book entry. In some cases they may ask for the certificate of discharge to be endorsed by the consul of the country of the flag, although I have not had this so far, and worked on Bermuda, British, Liberian, and Bahamas flags. The discharge certificate blank is normally available from the flag state.
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Old 29 August 2012, 02:58   #13
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Tonto is correct but if there is a Management Company involved the MCA will also accept entries made/signed by them.

The Testimonial Form is included in MSN 1802 and is also required for the revalidation process. Again the MCA will accept the signature of Management Company, Owner or even the Mate or Chief Engineer so long as they hold a CoC.

Unfortunately we are dealing with a Government Department so everything has to be correct and there is little or no leeway. However what has happened over the years is that the MCA has allowed a number of variations that known to thos ewho deal with them. perhaps this why we have a Forum like this and also Specialist Training Providers who are able to advise people as to the correct/accpetable way of doing things.
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Well that's my 200t revalidation application with the Mca. They emailed me to tell me. Will just have to see what happens
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As a matter of interest, what did you send them as proof of seatime?
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Old 30 August 2012, 10:43   #16
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Letter from company directors as we don't do discharge books currently within company
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All re validated now and legal for another 5 years. Plenty of time to find a shore based job now!!!

For those interested, as proof of sea time I had letter from company director and also some discharge book entries.
I think from now I am going to push the company to start issuing certificates of discharge or use discharge books
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This thread has been really interesting to me. I deal with many candidates who are applying for MCA Oral Exam NoE or who wish to revalidate their MCA CoC. The process is so different than when applying to revalidate the RYA CoC's and the information required is, for some, quite mind boggling.

To try to make it easy I always tell people that for RYA it's all about sea miles and days on board but for MCA it's all about sea service (time at sea) and days on board. Unlike the RYA the MCA are NOT interested in miles at sea.

Many people come to me after working for some years on their RYA (CE) CoC, they have no Testimonials or Certificates of Discharge/Discharge Book but need to move into the MCA CoC system. The issue is then to try to get owners/opeartors to write out the Testimonial and Cert of Discharge. I've known for this for some candidates to take months which is really frustrating when there's a job waiting for you once you've passed the MCA CoC.

I would like to make a plea to all those who are following this thread to tell everyone they know who are working commercially on an RYA (CE) CoC to get the Testimonials/Certs of Discharge when they leave a company or change Owners. They need to keep the documents safe and then they can be used to move up to Master <200gt (or even the possibly up to the proposed new Master (WorkBoats) <500gt) and/or for revalidating any CoC that is held.
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I've just written to the MCA to see if one of my maritime consultancy roles can be used towards re-validation as a shorebased activity along with a testimonial from our main customer for this work.

Will report back when they reply!
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