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Old 04 April 2012, 04:55   #1
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Renewing old commercial endorsement

The commercial endorsement on my Advanced Certificate expired some years ago. What would I need to do to renew it now?

I know I'd need an up to date first aid certificate and upgrade my Restricted VHF to SRC. Medical too presumably? Sea survival is a once-only requirement I think?

What about any of the new stuff that has come in over the last few years?
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Hi John,

You would need an in date First Aid Certificate, yes. You aren't limited to the RYA First Aid, there are many other certificates that are acceptable to them. You wouldn't actually need to prove this for the purposes of obtaining the commercial endorsement, but you would need to 'hold' it, in order for your commercial endorsement to be valid.

Sea Survival is once only, provided it is an RYA certificate rather than an MCA one (they had expiry dates on them).

Your Restricted VHF certificate is also fine - there is no requirement to update this for the purposes of the Commercial Endorsement. The VHF requirement is actually an Advanced Exam/Advanced Course requirement, not a commercial endorsement pre-requisite.

The new 'bit' is the PPR (Professional Practices and Responsibilities) Course. This is conducted online, and the RYA charge a flat fee of 37.40 (31+VAT) for it. Some schools will charge extra for support, others do it included in the small fee the RYA then pass to them (you have to select a school when you book on).

Yes, you will require a medical. Either an ML5 or ENG1 will be fine, the ML5 is probably more straightforward to obtain, and is valid for 5 years rather than the two of the ENG1. Any medical certificate for a Commercial Endorsement must be less than 6 months old at the time of application.

In summary - to gain your commercial endorsement, you would need to send off:
Effectively, as your old Commercial endorsement has 'lapsed', you are sending off a new application rather than a revalidation - it doesn't make much difference in practice.

If you'd like to discuss your options on the PPR Course and the First Aid Course then please do give us a call on 02380 231122 or e-mail us on coaching@stormforce.biz - there are plenty of other willing providers out there though, and I guess we are a reasonable trek from Brighton!

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When do I have to do my PPR

Hi,

If I have qualified in the last couple of years do I need to do my PPR ready for this season? Or does my qualification stand for x amount of years before I have to top up?

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Hi,

If I have qualified in the last couple of years do I need to do my PPR ready for this season? Or does my qualification stand for x amount of years before I have to top up?

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Hi Matt,

A valid PPR Certificate will only be required when you renew your Commercial Endorsement, so you don't need to do the online course until close to that time. However, the Professional Practices and Responsibilities course is, once completed, valid for 5 years, so you might decide you want to get started on it with plenty of time.

The course is designed to be approximately 6-8 hours of solid work, we've got one experienced boater who basically went straight on to the exam on Monday, one chap who started this morning and has passed the first half of the exam, several people who have signed up and are still working on it etc etc, so it really isn't necessary to put it off until the last minute.

As long as you hold a valid commercial endorsement, you're fine for this season.

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Rogue Wave,

To sit both components to the online exam will take between about 30 minutes to 2 hours (you're allowed an hour for each). It depends on several factors, including your existing knowledge, but also your ability to switch between several documents and extract the relevant information from them. For example, in some scenario based questions, you may need to refer to MGN 280, a fictitious CV, and some fictitious operating procedures.

It is possible to do the exam without going through all of the course material, but most people do need a bit of time to familiarise themselves with what is required.

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Thank you Some more questions

Being very committed to the safety of my passengers I have to say that I think this is a good thing in theory, and not before time.

So a pro skipper who knows his/her stuff should be able to be back in the real world in an hour and a bit....sounds good!

Good to sea you have to refer to the SCV Code.

Does the Course/Exam cover the various injuries/fatalities (and their avoidance) that you can gain on a RIB/Workboat and risk assessment techniques.

Also I'm hoping this exam need to be taken by people endorsing the PB2 or Intermediate ticket.

On a lighter note the use of a fictitious CV made me chuckle......... There is quite a few out there to choose from
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Also I'm hoping this exam need to be taken by people endorsing the PB2 or Intermediate ticket.
I believe it does for PB2 (and you can't actually endorse an Intermediate PB Certificate).

Stormforce - do you not need to show that you have been "active" in order to renew a certificate? It is something quite onerous for any ad-hoc skipper who wasn't doing it as a 'main job' - 30 days a year of paid work? Presumably if you don't have that you need to resit the commercial endorsement exam?

Also from a previous discussion I recalled (possibly wrongly) that the skipper didn't actually need the F.A. cert at all - there was only a requirement that someone on board had it (so could be a crew member). If my 'willk-like memory' is working that thread was started by "Grocer".
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I believe it does for PB2 (and you can't actually endorse an Intermediate PB Certificate).

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You are contemporaneously accurate, however, I have heard from a Principal I used to work with that the in the future the minimum qualification to endorse will be the Intermediate, Hence the vague question?
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You are contemporaneously accurate, however, I have heard from a Principal I used to work with that the in the future the minimum qualification to endorse will be the Intermediate, Hence the vague question?
I believe your spot on Rogue, the PB2 plan for the future is exactly that NON endorseable but then the intermediate will be commercially endorseable
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