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Old 05 April 2012, 06:47   #11
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no please - it's confusing enough as it is!
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Does the Course/Exam cover the various injuries/fatalities (and their avoidance) that you can gain on a RIB/Workboat and risk assessment techniques.
Yes, there is a section on Risk Assessment techniques - it's quite broad, and covers a variety of craft.

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Also I'm hoping this exam need to be taken by people endorsing the PB2 or Intermediate ticket.
Re: PB2 - yes. Any commercial endorsement will require the PPR. Re: Intermediate - no, as this is not a commercially endorseable certificate.

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On a lighter note the use of a fictitious CV made me chuckle......... There is quite a few out there to choose from


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Stormforce - do you not need to show that you have been "active" in order to renew a certificate?
Yes - a renewal would require you to confirm/prove/demonstrate suitable sea time. It's spread over 5 years, and it certainly isn't onerous. (150 days over 5 years).

If you don't meet the requirements, there is a route forwards if you can prove that you have a close involvement with managing commercial vessels, exact wording:
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Applicants for revalidation who are not able to prove the requisite sea service but are able to demonstrate that during at least half of the five year period they have been employed on duties closely associated with the management and operation of one or more of the appropriate types of vessels, may have their Certificates or Licences considered for revalidation.
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Also from a previous discussion I recalled (possibly wrongly) that the skipper didn't actually need the F.A. cert at all - there was only a requirement that someone on board had it (so could be a crew member).
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The skipper or a member of the crew of vessels which operate in Area Category 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 should hold an MCA approved Elementary First Aid Certificate (or the First Aid at Sea certificate or Medical First Aid certificate), an RYA First Aid Certificate, or a SeaFish Basic First Aid Certificate, provided use of the medical stores is covered in the course. Skippers of vessels operating in Area Category 0 or 1 should hold a Proficiency in Medical Care Certificate (or its predecessor, the Ship Captainís Medical Certificate) unless another member of the crew holds a medical or nursing qualification of an equivalent or a higher standard.
The skipper or nominated first-aider should undertake refresher training at least every five years.
So in theory, yes, it doesn't have to be the skipper. In practice, it's rare to find an Advanced Powerboat Coc (Commercial) or Yachtmaster Coastal/Offshore/Ocean CoC (Commercial) holder that doesn't keep their First Aid current.

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You are contemporaneously accurate, however, I have heard from a Principal I used to work with that the in the future the minimum qualification to endorse will be the Intermediate, Hence the vague question?
Were that to be the case (I'm currently investigating!) then yes, you would still require the PPR course. The PPR applies to the Commercial Endorsement application, irrespective of the Certificate of Competence or Course Completion Certificate being endorsed. Therefore, if you hold several commercially endorsed certificates, you still actually only have one commercial endorsement, so of course only need to do the PPR once.
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Old 05 April 2012, 07:53   #13
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Re: PB2 - yes. Any commercial endorsement will require the PPR. Re: Intermediate - no, as this is not a commercially endorseable certificate.


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I was at a meeting and RYA chief stated PB2 endorsement was going and the Intermediate would then be endorseable. Have they changed their minds?
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I was at a meeting and RYA chief stated PB2 endorsement was going and the Intermediate would then be endorseable. Have they changed their minds?
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I'm working on finding this out as we speak. When you say RYA Chief - Chief Executive, Chief Motor Cruising Instructor, Head of Training...?
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It was a training day with Marine Matters and we went into detail on PPR plans and chief instructor or similar, Aussie guy

This I posted in December "The next move on from this is to remove a commercial endorsement at PB2 level and only allow an endorsement starting at Intermediate course level which would allow then restricted water work and keeping the advanced commercial endorsement as it stands for a while before further changes. " this was on a similar issue and links came from RYA site
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It was a training day with Marine Matters and we went into detail on PPR plans and chief instructor or similar, Aussie guy
Was this Bruce?
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I thought I had read with the RTC paperwork that came thru at the beginning of the year that the comm L2 would now be comm intermediate....however at my trainer's/examiner's 5yearly update last month I was told that this was not the case and to be candid I have not seen it anywhere else so I'm beginning to think I must have made it up! Paperwork at home and I'm at sea (as usual ) so I can't look for it.
L2 is allegedly from zero knowledge to a cert in 2 days........that seems a scary thing to allow a comm endorsement on. I meet folk who have done just that but ya wouldnt allow them in charge of a boat on anything other than wet grass to be honest
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To clarify - the Maritime Coastguard Agency are the ones who decide which course completion certificates and certificates of competence can be commercially endorsed.

Currently, the only RYA Powerboat Scheme course completion certificate that can be commercially endorsed is the Powerboat Level 2. I've spoken to the RYA, and they haven't discussed any changes to this with the MCA, although that's not to say there won't be changes in the future.
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I thought I had read with the RTC paperwork that came thru at the beginning of the year that the comm L2 would now be comm intermediate....however at my trainer's/examiner's 5yearly update last month I was told that this was not the case and to be candid I have not seen it anywhere else so I'm beginning to think I must have made it up! Paperwork at home and I'm at sea (as usual ) so I can't look for it.
L2 is allegedly from zero knowledge to a cert in 2 days........that seems a scary thing to allow a comm endorsement on. I meet folk who have done just that but ya wouldnt allow them in charge of a boat on anything other than wet grass to be honest
I agree that was in written format and also explained at our CPD training and direct from RYA. They may be now re-thinking but only in last three months this was the plan and agreed route. No point me argueing with the RYA and training centres.
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although that's not to say there won't be changes in the future.
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