Renewing old commercial endorsement

[steadyeddie]

bit of a grey area the renewal of first aid certs(stcw 95 ) as there is no expiry on them !, mca website states also that there is no expiry ,as does fleetwood nautical college !

[Poly]

Originally Posted by Stormforce

Yes - a renewal would require you to confirm/prove/demonstrate suitable sea time. It's spread over 5 years, and it certainly isn't onerous. (150 days over 5 years).

If you don't meet the requirements, there is a route forwards if you can prove that you have a close involvement with managing commercial vessels, exact wording:

Stormforce - I'm not suggesting 150 days in five years working as a commercial skipper (or in the management of skippers) is an unreasonable expectation from the MCA/RYA; however I would have thought there were some people on here who would like to have the commercial endorsement either because they have their own boat coded but not in regular commercial use as a tax fiddle or because they do some ad-hoc skippering for someone else. Indeed in the current economic climate I can imagine people wanting to keep their options open for alternative sources of work if the day job dries up. However to actually do 30 days of commercial work each year is basically one day a week during the main boating season (when skippers and boats are likely to be in most demand) or a solid month of commercial boating... a bit more than most people's 'ad hoc'.

So bringing us back to John's question, I am surprised that to "renew" a commercial endorsement you don't need to prove 150 days service (could be tricky if your certificate is very out of date) and can just apply as though you were a new candidate. Do you see what I am getting at? if you are right then the 150 days in 5 yrs is irrelevant, as you can just reapply; I would have expected MCA/RYA to insist that the commercial exam was resat for someone trying to renew without adequate hours.

[willk]

Originally Posted by Polwart

however I would have thought there were some people on here who would like to have the commercial endorsement either because they have their own boat coded but not in regular commercial use as a tax fiddle or because they do some ad-hoc skippering for someone else.

Would ye wheest!

[wiLlfish]

Originally Posted by Polwart

as a tax fiddle.

yew norty polfIsh

ow de deviil dair yew

gow an wosh yor mowth owt dis minit

[wiLlfish]

Originally Posted by willk

wheest!

wots dat meen wiLkwart

[willk]

Originally Posted by wiLlfish

wots dat meen wiLkwart

I'm not sure you'll understand the concept:

Hould yer wheest = shut yer bake.

Roughly translates as: "I would appreciate it if you kept your opinion/commment to yourself at this juncture"

[Tim M]

Originally Posted by Polwart

Stormforce - I'm not suggesting 150 days in five years working as a commercial skipper (or in the management of skippers) is an unreasonable expectation from the MCA/RYA; however I would have thought there were some people on here who would like to have the commercial endorsement either because they have their own boat coded but not in regular commercial use as a tax fiddle or because they do some ad-hoc skippering for someone else. Indeed in the current economic climate I can imagine people wanting to keep their options open for alternative sources of work if the day job dries up. However to actually do 30 days of commercial work each year is basically one day a week during the main boating season (when skippers and boats are likely to be in most demand) or a solid month of commercial boating... a bit more than most people's 'ad hoc'.

So bringing us back to John's question, I am surprised that to "renew" a commercial endorsement you don't need to prove 150 days service (could be tricky if your certificate is very out of date) and can just apply as though you were a new candidate. Do you see what I am getting at? if you are right then the 150 days in 5 yrs is irrelevant, as you can just reapply; I would have expected MCA/RYA to insist that the commercial exam was resat for someone trying to renew without adequate hours.

I wouldn't worry, the RYA will probably turn a blind eye as they normally do and let anyone renew their ticket

[C2 RIBS]

Originally Posted by Tim M

I wouldn't worry, the RYA will probably turn a blind eye as they normally do and let anyone renew their ticket

[Poly]

Originally Posted by willk

I'm not sure you'll understand the concept:

Hould yer wheest = shut yer bake.

Roughly translates as: "I would appreciate it if you kept your opinion/commment to yourself at this juncture"

[pedant]the correct spelling is "Haud yer Wheesht"[/pedant]

sorry for being pedantic - but I know that wiLlfish is very particular about spelling.

[Trailer Bloke]

Originally Posted by Tim M

I wouldn't worry, the RYA will probably turn a blind eye as they normally do and let anyone renew their ticket

So what you are saying then Tim is the RYA will let any monkey (that pays the renewal fee) renew. Shame on them I thought they were a professional body.

[Ribochet]

Originally Posted by C2 RIBS

I was at a meeting and RYA chief stated PB2 endorsement was going and the Intermediate would then be endorseable. Have they changed their minds?

According to Rachel Andrews in February there were no plans to end the endorsement of PB2 - but then that was two months ago

[John Kennett]

Originally Posted by Polwart

I would have expected MCA/RYA to insist that the commercial exam was resat for someone trying to renew without adequate hours.

I've been reading up on this new stuff and there isn't a "commercial exam" as such though. It's an Advanced Powerboat exam which is now the qualification that can be commercially endorsed (you can't commercially endorse a course completion certificate for Advanced Powerboat unless it's pre 2005 ).

More details here:
http://www.rya.org.uk/coursestrainin...orsements.aspx

The revalidation requirements appear to be nonsensical...

[Stormforce]

Originally Posted by John Kennett

I've been reading up on this new stuff and there isn't a "commercial exam" as such though. It's an Advanced Powerboat exam which is now the qualification that can be commercially endorsed (you can't commercially endorse a course completion certificate for Advanced Powerboat unless it's pre 2005 ).

This is entirely correct and has been the situation for quite some time. A commercial endorsement is gained through a separate process to the completion of a course or exam leading to a certificate of competence. Once you hold a commercial endorsement, you can apply that to any suitable course completion certificates or certificates of competence you might have.

Originally Posted by John Kennett

The revalidation requirements appear to be nonsensical...

They don't appear completely clear cut. I think your best bet is to either telephone certification at the RYA (023 8060 4158/certification+rya.org.uk) and ask them what you need to do (probably once you have the other pre-requisites in place), or send off a commercial endorsement application or renewal form complete with a cover note.

[C2 RIBS]

Originally Posted by Ribochet

According to Rachel Andrews in February there were no plans to end the endorsement of PB2 - but then that was two months ago

Springs to mind- left and right hand not knowing what is happening or planned,

I was trying to find the original RYA web pages which clearly stated that PB2 commercial was next to go and intermediate would replace it but appears web pages have changed again since we had CPD training and conference

[Tim M]

My understanding was that the PB2 is about to undergo an overhaul so perhaps this will come in with that?

[Ribochet]

Originally Posted by C2 RIBS

Springs to mind- left and right hand not knowing what is happening or planned,

I know exactly - as another example - I was recently sent the latest edition of the Powerboat Logbook with an accompanying letter outlining changes to courses which included a paragraph

"Under the Boat handling section, Powerboat level 2, Intermediate and Advanced all now include "the importance of boat control in waves and adequate seating to minimise the possibility of back injury" to the level of "understands"

Confused - I am - this is NOT new - this has been in the sylabus, to this level, for all 3 courses since APRIL 2010 - also why has reference to CG66 been dropped?