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Old 17 April 2006, 19:16   #11
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Chris, I think you can sometimes get a bit more for Thames work.

I'm being paid 350 plus all expenses for 7 days work as camera boat for major feature film on the Thames quite soon.

I didn't know what to ask for but that's what they offered and I'm pretty pleased with that amount.
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I normally do get more! This year I only drove somebody elses boat for the Boat Race. The payment was for my time only.

Last year I asked for 500 + expenses for the event and got it. Its a full day boat hire and I think its pretty reasonable when compared to other commercial outfits. Paticularly when you consider I can entertain the customers

As my boat isn't coded I can only use the boat on 3 ocassions a year so I need to make sure when I do use it, its worthwhile!

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Chris, I think you can sometimes get a bit more for Thames work.

I'm being paid 350 plus all expenses for 7 days work as camera boat for major feature film on the Thames quite soon.

I didn't know what to ask for but that's what they offered and I'm pretty pleased with that amount.
Is that 350 per day or for the 7 days?
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Chris, I think you can sometimes get a bit more for Thames work.

I'm being paid 350 plus all expenses for 7 days work as camera boat for major feature film on the Thames quite soon.

I didn't know what to ask for but that's what they offered and I'm pretty pleased with that amount.
We do film work - TV is usually from 150 a day and film up to 250 a day all plus expenses of course!
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Is that 350 per day or for the 7 days?
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It's 350 plus expenses per day. I think it's a good deal.
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As Stu said you get what you can.

A problem I have seen recently is that there are some many doing it that you will always get one that goes in far far to cheap that it then causes problems for all.

Someone very recently had quoted a wind farm stupid low prices for boat and crews to get the contract, then found they did not have enough boats and crew to meet the needs, they then were offering the work out, then found they could sub out the work as there was no one interested to work so cheap!!

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As Stu said you get what you can.

A problem I have seen recently is that there are some many doing it that you will always get one that goes in far far to cheap that it then causes problems for all.

Someone very recently had quoted a wind farm stupid low prices for boat and crews to get the contract, then found they did not have enough boats and crew to meet the needs, they then were offering the work out, then found they could sub out the work as there was no one interested to work so cheap!!

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Spot on Jon , what really pisses me off is the boats that operate without any codingor commercial insurance whatsoever and can afford to work for low rates, as they do not have the overheads of licenced vessels.
We have been operating charter and workboats (from 10m - 24m) for over 25 years and at times it never ceases to amaze me how some companies will hire unlicenced vessels and expect it all to okay when something does go wrong.
There was a hope when the Codes fo Practise first came out that it would stop all this, not a chance as there is in-sufficent surveyors to police it, so it's easier for the surveyors to look at the code vessel lists and carry out inspections on them rather than target unlicenced operations.
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Spot on Jon , what really pisses me off is the boats that operate without any codingor commercial insurance whatsoever and can afford to work for low rates, as they do not have the overheads of licenced vessels.
We have been operating charter and workboats (from 10m - 24m) for over 25 years and at times it never ceases to amaze me how some companies will hire unlicenced vessels and expect it all to okay when something does go wrong.
There was a hope when the Codes fo Practise first came out that it would stop all this, not a chance as there is in-sufficent surveyors to police it, so it's easier for the surveyors to look at the code vessel lists and carry out inspections on them rather than target unlicenced operations.
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Just like to clarify that my boat isn't coded but on the Thames provided your boat has been inspected by a PLA surveyor and you have approval from the Harbourmaster you can operate legally without coding on a maximum of three occassions in a year.

Hence my previous comments. I don't operate illegally or sneak in extra trips, I stick to my three!!!

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Spot on Jon , what really pisses me off is the boats that operate without any codingor commercial insurance whatsoever and can afford to work for low rates, as they do not have the overheads of licenced vessels.

There was a hope when the Codes fo Practise first came out that it would stop all this, not a chance as there is in-sufficent surveyors to police it, so it's easier for the surveyors to look at the code vessel lists and carry out inspections on them rather than target unlicenced operations.
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One wonders does the answer lie in tying up an SO50 application with proof of coding or local license, insurance and qualifications!

BTW I was wondering WTF codingor insurance was (and why I hadn't heard of it!) when I made the same typo
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Chris I was at the boat race. Which boat were you driving?
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One wonders does the answer lie in tying up an SO50 application with proof of coding or local license, insurance and qualifications!

BTW I was wondering WTF codingor insurance was (and why I hadn't heard of it!) when I made the same typo
Codingor is a type of Welsh insurance .
Clydeport operate a similar thing up hear whereby they can issue a harbour licence, but more often than not now they are only issuing it to the small workboats that handle the yokahama fenders and carry out light mooring duties.
I really don't know what the answer is, I've previously reported a couple of unlicenced boats, eventually a surveyor comes down, tells them not to do it again, the surveyor goes away, they start again or move to another port.

It might be a better option for the MCA to put some of the basic checking for compliance back to the local Coastie teams and allowing them to patrol/check and then report back to the compliance dept. for further action.

The bigger marine civil companied are getting very good now at wanting to see and copy all licence/insurance/Qualification befroe issuing an order as they must prove fit for purpose and compatance.

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