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Old 01 April 2005, 13:47   #11
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you seem to want to prove us all wrong on this one and you seem slightly bitter!
Andy,
You will agree, I hope, that the use of the smiley faces mean that I am expressing myself with a smile on my face when I write these messages. Not bitter at all and yes I have been booked and paid thank you for the event. So I have nothing to gain by what I say.

My point is ref safety, for both others and myself. Having been there when these sort of events go ahead I and others on here know what it is really like, as I am sure you do. I am not only on about the comm guys but all experienced rib drivers who know what it will be like. So I, IMHO, think that it is very dogey allowing some very willing but not necessarily capable people on the water during this event.

If only one person on this forum reads this and thinks that perhaps this is not the time to be gaining experience and perhaps they should just turn up and watch. Then that’s fine by me
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Old 01 April 2005, 13:57   #12
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I can't disagree with you these events are for the experienced. I have done every Solent event since & including the D-Day celebrations of 1994, and they are all hell on water. I just felt you are covering old ground, we all discussed this in great detail on the last thread on this subject. To be fair QHM knows the score, and has the authority on the matter, I am sure he has done the paperwork and made the decision based on a lot of consultation.

If you where reitterating this point because of safety then thats excellent. If you are making a point about commercial skippers capabilities vs us hobbists then we are on different pages. Just cause people are commercial does not mean they can handle their boat better, are any safer or have experience in these conditions. In fact many are arrogant and storm about the water as if they own it. During the America's Cup Jubilee, I took photos of such arseholes and sent them letters after the event, with little effect! I should have reported them to the MCA. We can all name many commercial vessels that have incidents, admittedly far less than joe public.

I think we agree ... this event wont be for the faint hearted and experience counts!! Personnally I think PB2 as a bar is too low.
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Old 01 April 2005, 14:03   #13
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I do agree.
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I've got some questions here...

1) Who, exactly, are you ? You put down MCA. Are we to understand that you are the lawful representative of The Maritime and Coastguard Agency? If so please give your name and position within that agency.
This user did register using an mcga.gov.uk email address so is likely to be genuine!

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Fine, then why not make it clear with name and department? It used to make me chuckle when the local papers used to quote a "Fire Brigade Spokesman" when we used to encourage the station cook and cleaner to answer the phone to the press and give incident details.....
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Is that ribnet complying with the freedom of information act?
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Fine, then why not make it clear with name and department?
I agree -- it would have been much better if he had. It would also be good if he came back to follow up some of the responses.
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This is an all inclusive event and not just an elitist one.

Everybody should be welcomed out on to the water in a safe manner!

No need to keep commenting on this or it just develops into scare mongering!

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Follow up to last thread posted.

Firstly let me apologise for not including my name etc. in the thread. Its all at the end of this thread now.

To address some of the points made in the replies to our posting…

The words “expect to find” were used because if we do not it may result in that vessel not being allowed to operate and being escorted to the nearest point that allows passengers/crew to disembark safely.

Where the word “should“ was used it does infer “must”.


INTERNATIONAL FLEET REVIEW

There has been much discussion on this site over the RIBs being used as marshalling boats during the International Fleet Review. The MCA have been working closely with those organising the Trafalgar 200 celebrations and are satisfied that there is no commercial gain for those whose RIBs that are being used for marshalling, therefore there is no requirement for them to carry any statutory certification. The Trafalgar 200 team have put their own safety conditions on the RIBs to be used.

I would recommend that all those that will be attending the Trafagar 200 celebrations look at the following website for safety information surrounding the event:

http://www.trafalgar200.com/yachtareas.html


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Mark,

Thank you for the courtesy of responding.

Could you tell me who was responsible for the wording? I’m referring to the use of the word “should” and your comment that this should infer “must”. I am pretty convinced that there is a huge difference between the two words, especially when used in an event that could end up before the courts. I am trying to find a reference for this, but at the moment can only come up with a report on court case in a legal journal.

“she made mistakes that everyone--including the Defendants' lawyers--could and did pick up (the difference between "must" and "should", for example).”

If you could shed some light on the matter, I would appreciate it.
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