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Old 02 January 2013, 06:31   #41
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You can operate in the Solent at night with the appropriate local area licence. Given that the local area licence requirements now largely follow MGN280 (with a few exceptions) it would seem a bit odd if this wasn't acceptable!
I have a customer with a RIB certificated by Eastleigh Borough Council vis hamble Harbour Master and they confirm that this Local Authority certification is acceptable to the RYA for operation in categorised waters - ie the Solent.
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Old 02 January 2013, 06:43   #42
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Reading this document OAN 678 does suggest a dry suit for all but if I recal this was for the open RIBS operating unrestricted and where we operate cat3R then suitable clothing MUST be worn which is accepted as proper waterproof for weather conditions expected.

I hope Duncan will be along shortly to discuss these coding issues.
To clarify, OAN678 was put out by MCA in 2010 in order to state how they were happy for open RIBs to operate in darkness.

The code requires a "Substantial enclosure" for all vessels operating in darkness - ie Category 3. This means a GRP wheelhouse. Prior to OAN678 operators and surveyors were requesting "equivalence" by suggesting a portable canopy / tarpaulin / etc. Some of these were quite good, some were not and it was left to the integrity of the surveyor to propose to the MCA that this be allowed.

Now we have OAN678 it's crystal clear what's allowed - look at the matrix on the final page.

For example, if you only want to operate in favourable weather, up to 3 miles from a safe haven, then you only need to wear lifejackets and provide suitable clothing along with the flares and lights over and above your category 4/5/6 coding. This is what most people want.

We've been applying OAN678 since 2010 with no problems.

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Old 02 January 2013, 11:31   #43
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Adv PB CoC - waste of money????

I hold a commercially endorsed Adv PB CoC inc PPR and a YM coastal theory cert with current, ongoing commercial experience. I am also a PBI & PWCI. The Training Manager at the RYA has just told me that in his eyes my competency is Coastal Skipper at best???? I want to become a Shorebased Instructor. To do this, he tells me I now need to be a APBI - RYA website currently being updated.
Can someone tell me what part of the APBI syllabus I have not covered or demonstrated by passing my Adv PB CoC examination?
I do not want to sit in an open boat at speed teaching people to drive in the dark (although I have proven I can do it) - I want to teach theory in the comfort of a classroom.....what further skills am I proving by passing my APBI.....other than I am capable of writing yet another cheque to the RYA for hundreds of pounds???? HNY to you all....
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Old 03 January 2013, 01:27   #44
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It's not just having used the content of the syllabus but in fact knowing the syllabus, all the wrinkles and being able to prove that you have a depth of experience to be able to deliver the depth and breadth of knowledge necessary for someone to achieve the required standard to pass the YM Shorebased Course.

One of my colleagues holds an Unlimited Master CoC and the RYA wouldn't, at first, allow him to take the Shorebased Instructors Accreditation Course as they thought he had insufficient 'small craft' experience. when they were advised of his commercial and leisure experience of small craft (he owned his own sail boat) they agreed he could take the Accreditation Course.

I think that the RYA are doing their utmost to protect us from ourselves. Remember that they have the MCA looking over their shoulder making sure that they are Accreditting appropriate Training Providers and Instructors. what i think we miss sometimes is that unless we ensure the RYA CoC's remain robust the MCA could remove them from MGN 280 and MSN 1802 and then we'd all be in a mess.
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Old 03 January 2013, 06:33   #45
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I agree with the new rule.

I have a Master 200 Unlimited, Ocean YM Power Commercial, Adv PB, PPR, GOC, STCW BST etc etc etc but I don't claim to have sufficient teaching experience to deliver a YM shore based course. Teaching is different to doing.
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Old 04 January 2013, 01:34   #46
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Without doubt teaching and doing are two entirely different skills and many people can do one or the other but not both.

There is a saying "Them what can't do teach". This saying can be very cruel really as there are some of us out there that can do both and very sucessfully as well.
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Thank you Skippy J. I find yr posts to be both balanced and insightful unlike the caustic and flippant posts of Will and Doug SF. Good news tho - the end result is that I can now see a way forward. No point giving Doug many hundreds of pounds to pass out as a APBI because, like I said, I don't want to be a APBI .....this does NOT make me a bad instructor or not worthy of being a RYA member!!!!! I want to be a SBI so its YM CoC for me.
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What a silly post.
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no place for modesty on this thread then
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Old 04 January 2013, 22:24   #50
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What date have they set for rules to change?
It is with immediate effect! I am organising things for next week Fortunately I run in all but name, so apart from the life raft and "sniffer" I am pretty much there.
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