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Old 09 February 2005, 12:36   #11
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Old 01 March 2005, 11:54   #12
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Liferaft

Looking through the new coding regs, does that mean that one of the Plastimo ORC liferafts is no longer acceptable for Coding purposes?

Does anyone know whether there is a list of 'wheelmarked' or SOLAS B or A approved liferafts - I can't find it on the Plastimo website - although as they all seem to be ORC, it doesn't look ike they are acceptable anyway...

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Old 11 March 2005, 14:59   #13
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I have a liferaft related question that one of you may be able to answer. Does a liferaft have to be upto ISAF spec for catagory 4 coding or is the standard ORC okay?
I was investigating buying/ hiring a liferaft today and was asked if I needed an ISAF spec. liferaft.
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Old 11 March 2005, 17:52   #14
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Duncan,
If you are going down the MCA route it has to be SOLAS B or ISAF, if its any other i think you have to have a grab bag to supplement it.
Where are you going to put it on the Pac, as if you have a deck hatch up front there aint much room left. How many are bods are you going for?I believe Pete7 had a stability test done and got it for 9 bods.
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Old 11 March 2005, 18:08   #15
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Searider on here (Duncan) did my survey through YDSA and it made a nice change to find a surveyor who knows what he is talking about and a jolly nice chap too. they have a good web site with lots of info.

http://www.ceproof.com/

In theory YDSA now have details of P22 stability test for 9 people so you shouldn't have to do this if you code it with them which might save a bit of money. However .....

Although the stability test is for 9 people I only coded her for 6 in the end because the weight of diving kit that would need to be carried as well, also the costs of lifejackets and liferafts for a larger number of people was just getting out of hand.

Hired a SOLAS B raft for the first year which cost 560 for a 6 man from Ocean Safety in Saxon Wharf, Southampton. Not the cheapest but they know what they are talking about and supply to a lot of local charter boats.

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Old 11 March 2005, 19:18   #16
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From the coversation I had I got the impression you could get a SOLAS B ISAF or a SOLAS B ORC. I could have got it wrong. The first thing I said was I needed SOLAS B and he came asked ISAF or ORC? He also said it could be hard cover or valise case, as long as it had dedicated dry storage. With hard cover I was thinking up in the bow infront of the big hatch or behind the engine box.
I am going to go for coding for 9, which I have found a few people have for P22's. My aim will be to normally carry upto 6 passengers but have the flexiblity to carry more if necessary. If some of the passengers are children the weight wouldn't be such an issue and in these cases I would make sure they understood thier numbers may affect performance. I have inboard seating for 8 passengers 6 on the engine box and a bench infront of the console, which doubles as extra storage.
Another question I have which Pete might be able to answer is to do with the second set of batteries I will have to carry. Do they have to be wired into the circuit or can I just carry them to be connected if needed?
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Old 12 April 2005, 11:21   #17
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Might be a bit late - but...

I found this in an obscure place on the MCA website (I need to get out more)...which may explain SOLAS-B, ORC, ISAF etc a bit better...

The liferaft(s) provided should be either:-

i) constructed to SOLAS standard, Wheelmarked or DTLR approved,
except that the liferaft(s) should be equipped with “SOLAS B PACK”;or

ii) built to the International Sailing Federation (ISAF), Offshore Special
Regulations (OSR) Appendix A Part 2 requirements or to an
equivalent ISO Standard. Liferaft(s) should be equipped to a level
equivalent to that of a "SOLAS B PACK". This may, where
necessary, include a "grab bag" to supplement the equipment
integral to the liferaft; or

iii) built to the International Sailing Federation (ISAF), Offshore Special
Regulations (OSR) Appendix A Part 1 requirements and
manufactured prior to 1 st July 2003, until replacement is due.
Liferaft(s) should be equipped to a level equivalent to that of a
"SOLAS B PACK". This may, where necessary, include a "grab bag"
to supplement the equipment integral to the liferaft;

I thought this might help!! Now all I need to know is what needs to go in the grab-bag......any clues?

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Old 12 April 2005, 11:33   #18
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Found it...

Solas B Grab Bag contents to upgrade from ISAF:

• 2 x red rockets MCA

• 1 x Orange buoyant smoke MCA

• 1 x Cat C First Aid Kit

• I x Inflatable radar reflector

• Blue Grab bag (to hold all this)

• Thermal protective aids to make up ISAF existing 2 to full complement

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Duncan, batteries had to be hard wired in, so I used a separate battery master switch so that only 2 are normally used but the additional ones can be quickly connected.

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Pete,
Thanks for the battery reply. I looked at the latest amalgamated codes document and the surveyors report and from these got the impression that two battery systems may not be necessary. From what I understood if I have a manual start auxilary engine then that counts as a second way of starting the boat.
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