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Old 07 October 2011, 10:50   #11
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sorry - you are right - posting in wrong thread need to clear my head!
I was assuming that the references above to commercial were aimed at the Cardiff Bay club...

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Old 07 October 2011, 12:05   #12
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Stu..I wrote a similar post and then got called away and deleted it!
In essence I was gonna say that professional simply means in my book that someone earns money from the job, because he /she likes the life (and its great) OR perhaps they can't earn a living elsewhere...it is no guarantee of skills and there are commercial skippers I wouldn't sail across wet grass with!... and "amatuers" who I trust implicitly. There are (paper) skippers who talk such a good job you believe they can walk on water..only to find the next day that having put the boat aground they can only walk on sand!
Rib rides are great when there is sommat nice to see and talk about and the boat isnt thrown all over the sea...thrill rides are asking for trouble and need so much care. I have lost count of the number of times I have been asked to act as an "expert witness" for back injury claims on thrill rib rides. They (nearly) all seem to get settled out of court but it seems to be a high risk industry in today's blame culture!
i work in a different sector altogether when I am skippering and the risks there sometimes stem from commercial pressures to get the job done. But if anything goes wrong I need to remember that "it is the skipper's decision". Thats what they pay me for and in the event of an accident it's my head on the block!
But anyone can have an accident, esp if they spend so much time afloat. And the proverbial back needs to be covered at all times.
Trade associations are often just that...in a previous life I dealt with some of them and basically as long as the guy paid his money he became a member. The assn was usually useless at policing members or sorting things out and the only time they got worked up about anything was when the guy was using their logo but hadn't paid his subscription!
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Old 07 October 2011, 16:15   #13
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I also work in the commercial sector, nostly offshore and survey work and when I have to driving tugs!

I did a lot of enkoyable work in the Solent for a couple of years and my comments are mostly based on things I witnessed then.

I can think of one powerboat instructor who is 20 years old and on his website he claims to have a , amount of knowledge and experiene. some fool setting up a charter business may well use him as a safety consultant

Another guy whom I knew went out with me in my 5.4 with a 90 on it we got up to 35 knots and he told me it was real cool as it was the fastest he'd ever travelled on the water. 3 months later he was skippering a charter boat a 10 metre Pascoe with twin 250's on it with fare paying passengers....not good but perfectly legal

Any professional Boat driver working Cowes week would approach it very carefully as 40 % of the commercial drivers out there seem to forget all about the IRPCS and show little apreciation of Closing speed, but I'm sure they would proudly lay claim to the proffesional status.

Also while we are at it I don't understand how come a high speed rib with a Suicide seat (cushion built into the front of the console gets a coding) or why Skippers put passengers on them
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Old 08 October 2011, 07:11   #14
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I enjoy reading Polwart, Rogue, and Wavelengths comments, as they are always very sound, coming from folk who know whats what and what end of a spade to use

and sorry, its a bit long, a few know I tend to make comment off line, as its just who I am (exception being the recent 'hmmm....' )

I'd add some bits,
for those of us who are ancient enough, there is a history to be looked at within the RYA, not so many years ago, to become a powerboat instructor, you first had to be a dinghy instructor, and if you look at the development of the RYA powerboat scheme from that, then they've done not bad. It might not address everyones issues, but if those areas are highlighted enough, and seem to be an appropriate development, then the RYA will probably look into it, and get a development group moving on it. Really, powerboating is still in infancy, look at some of the work we are in. 5 or 10 years ago, how many of us would have predicted where it would be today? So yep, I think the advanced/ commercials don't address everything currently, but they made an attempt at the time to cover what they could, and the developments are still ongoing.

myself, in interviewing folk for jobs, - outwith the powerboat world, its that oft quoted bit, do you want to employ someone who interviews well, or do you want someone who in six months time is actually doing the job you wanted them to do...
follow that to RYA advanced or whatever, its a starting point, it gives me a idea of 'supposed' competence, and from that I can see where we go. I do technical advice in a variety of fields, and if my hierarchy will take it, I like being able to employ those with experience, and not necessarily qualifications, the but is... will it stand up in court, and will the time it takes to show that competence be less than that spent on gaining the qualifications.

powerboat trainers, yep, I agree with comments, and in theory, the RYA should be able to weed these out, as the trainers are the only part (other than by a different route the commercial endorsements) that actually has a re assessment- and that its partly based on practical ability. Should we be looking at the advanced instructors and making them do a practical re assessment? because between the two sections, they are the ones running/ awarding the certification.
But.. would that address the issues?

Who is out there to push stuff forward to make more people aware of it, and more relevant to the fast moving/differing needs of powerboat use?

How do we get to the stage of non users knowing that a person they employ/ appoint/ trust can actually make a call on the operation on that day/ location??



But also....
think of the knock on from the Lyme bay canoe incident, did that address the issues? is that what we want and wish for?

thats my bit,
...... now back to looking at strange/not much used light patterns... reassessment looms
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Old 11 October 2011, 14:29   #15
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[QUOTE=eilean mor;424434]I enjoy reading Polwart, Rogue, and Wavelengths comments, as they are always very sound, coming from folk who know whats what and what end of a spade to use

It's an honour to be grouped in with two of the Forums most experienced Commercial boat drivers and hand held earth moving implement callers

Who is out there to push stuff forward to make more people aware of it, and more relevant to the fast moving/differing needs of powerboat use?
I give the RYA 35 quid a year to represent me as a Powerboater, I give em a bit more every 5 years to revalidate my ticket

How do we get to the stage of non users knowing that a person they employ/ appoint/ trust can actually make a call on the operation on that day/ location??

Same way the truckers do by having an O licence. to get one you have to have a nominated knowledgeable and experienced manager who doesn't have to be an employee but can be on the firm as a consultant but is responsible for doing it right.

Also when I'm driving tugs we quite often get a spin from the Authorities to see if we are doing it right, don't know if that happens in the thrill ride world has it ever happenned to 58degrees N in the sightseeing world
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Well keep quiet or they'll want to increase your membership fee to be the same as everyone else's!
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Membership 40 quid a year, rejoin every year as a new member and use a promotional 5 off voucher which are always flying around somewhere. 40 - 5 =35 let me know if you need a voucher
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I been reading this and wasn't going to post. I've been thinking I'm getting fedup with giving people money for bits of paper to show other people what I can do. I've been a commercial skipper for a while and have never shown anybody any of my papers. I've been helming GEE the offshore powerboat in France and still nothing. I need one medical for the commercial ticket and a different one for the racing. To the same people. I think I've hijacked this thread for a rant. But all these bodies cost money. Usually ours and what do we really get for our money

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Touchy Subject

You wouldn't get on a chopper to go offshore without a vantage card which lists all your q's mine cost me about 6k every 2 years

part of the induction process onto a wind farm Job is to present your qualifications and if you aint got em on you your off the Job

Any body hiring a new driver would be very silly if they didn't ensure they had the qualifications that the insurance company expects seems like a good way to lose your house when te accident happens

I'm off driving a survey boat for the next 4 days and the owner has known me for years but I still had to show his clients rep my tickets last week!

It's the way it is nowadays don't make you any good but it's what you need.

your point about the different bodies screwing money out of us is very much on the button. I am currently running 4 medicals and three Sea Survival tickets My Bosiet refresher for all the North sea sectors took a day and cost me 742 and the RYA/MCA doesn't recognise it so I have do theres as well. same instructors same pool different paper.
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