lack of recognition of skipper licences for the Small Commercial Vessel (SCV

C2 RIBS · 23 August 2012, 17:58

This document was sent to me for review and may be worth a read

GETAFIX Newsletter

Tony Hill · 24 August 2012, 16:38

A RIB Part 1 UK Ships Registered with the skipper UK Commercially endorsed Advanced Powerboat working in France. Does anyone know if there may be problems or have experience of this?

Tony

Skippy John · 26 August 2012, 16:50

Hi Tony

To be honest there shouldn't be a problem however I have found that sometimes the local 'powers that be' may decide differently!

I would suggest that you speak to the Harbour Master/Marina Manager to check out if they will accept the CoC or want to see something of a higher level.

Best of luck

Trailer Bloke · 26 August 2012, 19:14

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Originally Posted by Skippy John

Hi Tony

To be honest there shouldn't be a problem however I have found that sometimes the local 'powers that be' may decide differently!

I would suggest that you speak to the Harbour Master/Marina Manager to check out if they will accept the CoC or want to see something of a higher level.

Best of luck

Ive heard the the Marina Manager in Ocean Village accepts Coc

Tony Hill · 27 August 2012, 06:07

Thanks guys, there appear to be a number of hurdles to jump before we head south next week

Tony

Skippy John · 27 August 2012, 06:52

For the avoidance of doubt I meant that you ask the Harbour Master/Marina Manager in France.

I know that around the Riviera/Cote d'Azur it shouldn't be a problem as I am aware of quite a few people who work in the region using RYA CoC's on UK and other Red Ensign Registered vessels.

Have a brilliant time

SeaTeach · 16 September 2012, 10:29

Hi, I am Silja from the project GETAFIX.eu who have published the newsletter above.
With regard to Tony's question I would like to add: In principle if you have a British flagged vessel, then it underlies the British rules meaning tat your British qualification is fine. Sometimes the local authorities do not see/ understand this, but those are the rules.
BUT: If you wish to work commercially on a British registered vessel, you need to get it coded to UK coding rules. In those you will find that you can't code a boat with a petrol engine. Therefore you will probably have to look into French coding. And that is when your problems will start, because as soon as the boat is French flagged, then you underlie the French rules and whether they will accept you British commercial license is doubtful. That exactly is what our project tackles.
Sorry for this, but it is unfortunately as complicated and difficult as that.

Skippy John · 16 September 2012, 14:59

To avoid confusion and to stop any panic petrol engines can be used under the SCV Code MGN 280 paragraph 7.3 page 40

Dhf · 16 September 2012, 15:31

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Originally Posted by SeaTeach

then you underlie the French rules and whether they will accept you British commercial license is doubtful. That exactly is what our project tackles.
Sorry for this, but it is unfortunately as complicated and difficult as that.

HUH!!!!!
What's wrong with our GREAT BRITISH licence's.

SeaSkills · 16 September 2012, 16:56

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Originally Posted by SeaTeach

. In those you will find that you can't code a boat with a petrol engine.

There are plenty of petrol engined boats that have been coded. I have had three

Alexander · 16 September 2012, 20:03

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Originally Posted by SeaTeach

In principle if you have a British flagged vessel, then it underlies the British rules meaning tat your British qualification is fine. Sometimes the local authorities do not see/ understand this, but those are the rules.

It is not as simple as that. The STCW Manila Amendment contains the rule that an administration may require foreign flagged vessels that operate out of a foreign port must comply with both, the flag state rules and the rules of the port state.

Several European Countries make excessive use of this rule.

jumpinjack · 16 September 2012, 20:05

Several European Countries make excessive use of this rule.
Ireland for one!

Tony Hill · 17 September 2012, 06:35

To update everyone
Our cabin RIB was coded SCV2 Cat 3 by Mecal
It has twin petrol engines.
We applied to MCA Ships register Part 1 and this went through.
OK there were a few answers to find but this was our first attempt

The RIB is currently flying a red ensign, working in France without issue.

Be encouraged

Tony

hobbit555 · 17 September 2012, 15:31

Outboard petrol engine boat no problem. Inboard petrol would need special approval From MCA.

Doug Stormforce · 18 September 2012, 18:56

Lots of classic Ribnet half truths in this thread.

The problem is the MCA dont like petrol boats for Cat 2 and above, ie when passengers will be sleeping on board.

No problem with inboard or outboard for lower catogories