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Old 02 May 2014, 12:05   #11
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Isn't there some risk of 'falling away' from the helm - leaving the motor revving away while you roll around the floor trying to get back your feet to re-take control ? ?
Again, I think this risk is closely related to the size and speed of the craft and the activity that it is engaged in. Tony is running 10-11m fully enclosed and seated cabin boats, conducting crew transfers and seafari trips. I doubt that he is wave hopping. At the speeds I THINK he operates at, I really can't see a driver being unseated. It's very different to thrill rides in an open rib (which Tony runs on other craft that I KNOW do have and use killcords. I think some common sense needs applying to his specific issue - which is how to continue NOT using a killcord in an enclosed cabin 10m RIB.
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Old 02 May 2014, 12:07   #12
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Old 02 May 2014, 13:03   #13
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[QUOTE=willk;615687]While you may have trouble finding a document that says you do not require to be wearing a killcord at all times, the other party will have trouble finding a document that says you DO!

If I were in your position I would take the following steps:

2. On a diesel cabin RIB - I would produce the Engine Manufacturer's Manual that (almost certainly) will give dire warning about the effects of stopping a diesel engine via a "power off". I would point out that killcords often get pulled accidentally and a big diesel could take time to get up and running again.


I would take this view as well, I wouldn't want to kill my diesels dead from 2500rpm, and I think I would want to see the document saying I had to,before loosing too much sleep over it, has a client actually said they require a Kill Cord Tony or is it an MCA issue ?
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Isn't there some risk of 'falling away' from the helm - leaving the motor revving away while you roll around the floor trying to get back your feet to re-take control ?

Of courseinf your sitting in a nice seat its less likely - but as in most ribs if its not a sprung seat you stand up ( so can fall down/ over )

Happens in open boats sometimes...you end knocking around the transom end trying to get up .....?
if your risk assessment identified that risk as a serious possibility surely you would be considering seat belts to reduce the risk of injury anyway?
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More thinking this is why there is some insistence on a kill cord...

As has been said its not racing time...:-)
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if your risk assessment identified that risk as a serious possibility surely you would be considering seat belts to reduce the risk of injury anyway?
Already a coding requirement here on bench seats
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if your risk assessment identified that risk as a serious possibility surely you would be considering seat belts to reduce the risk of injury anyway?
That's the route we've taken for our 11m Redbay. Our risk assessment doesn't require the killcord to be worn, but seat belts are fitted and will be worn when the skipper deems it necessary. Killcords are fitted and worn on all our boats where the helm position is out in the open
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Thanks guys

As mentioned I would give a prize to anyone who could fall overboard from ourAs stated these boats are used in a 'commercial' sector and it is our firm belief that should the boat go airbourne, take a hard jolt then blame the skipper not the boat.
When we are operating the boats there is always a skipper and a crew aboard, we don't do single man operations. If it is rough we make the decision to send two skippers if available or a skipper and someone under skipper training.
If only there was such a thing as common sense. We operate twin outboards so because there is a kill cord fitted within the ignition system then we are getting the argument it is there so it has to be used stuff.

I will let you all know where this ends up
If you do come across any suitable official paperwork (RYA/MCA) then I would be grateful if you could get in contact

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Kill cords in cabin RIB

Who is suggesting that you have to wear them, Tony? I've not seen anything (from any credible source) that says you do.

"It is there so it has to be used" doesn't make sense. We carry flares, liferafts etc etc, but don't expect to use them. If your car had cruise control, would they demand you use it?
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I can't see the argument for not using it? Its been proven that accidents have serious consequences when they aren't worn and people can unexpectedly leave the helm position without falling out of the boat and still leave it out of control putting life at risk. I work full time as a skipper as well as instructor, inspector and examiner and wear it 100% of the time if the boat has one even for the shortest and slowest trip. If it interferes with what I'm trying to do I replan what I intend to do rather than carry on without it even for berthing etc. Manufacturers fit them as a safety device to prevent serious injury not as something to blow in the wind, secure the keys to the boat or cause an inconvenience when used correctly.
Here's one I found recently on an inspection fitted to a 10m cabin rib in the Italy. When questioned why it was like this 'it's so that the keys never get lost when we take them out of the boat'. It was promptly modified with a pair of scissors by myself. Click image for larger version

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