Female Skipper(s)

scm · 19 March 2007, 16:27

Hi,

I need a couple of Female skippers for a client this year and at the same time we are always looking for skippers. If you know any Adv PB drivers with Comm ticket then please get in touch.

Would you like to be paid for driving new Scorpion 8.1's?

Regards
Stuart

Poly · 19 March 2007, 18:55

I assume that there is some reason that they need to be women, which fulfils the requirements of a Genuine Occupational Qualification - as per the sex discrimination act?

ALANT · 19 March 2007, 19:10

Probably don't want some dirty letch as a skipper or the boat is going to be full of dirty old letches

But yes you must consider the legislation!

havener · 19 March 2007, 19:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Polwart

I assume that there is some reason that they need to be women, which fulfils the requirements of a Genuine Occupational Qualification - as per the sex discrimination act?

They look better than men?

mdt · 19 March 2007, 19:11

try contacting this seller as they seam to know a skipper who on the face of things looks like she could fit the bill

http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/HCM002/

ashbypower · 19 March 2007, 19:12

Stuart, Try Julie HERE

Brian

NautiAndNice · 19 March 2007, 20:32

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Originally Posted by ALANT

Probably don't want some dirty letch as a skipper or the boat is going to be full of dirty old letches

Jesus. Sign me up....

scm · 19 March 2007, 22:19

Guys, thanks for the replies.

With regard to points, simple really, client wants a female skipper.

I on the other hand do not mind or indeed specify what sex you are. Just have to be good at what I employ you for and I don't mean just driving a rib either.

I know Julie, as I did my YM conversion to power with her as the instr. I will check but don't think Julie is powerboat instr qualified.

Once again thanks to those that replied.

Regards
Stuart

Mugshot · 19 March 2007, 22:34

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Originally Posted by mdt

try contacting this seller as they seam to know a skipper who on the face of things looks like she could fit the bill

good find mdt, I have to say she looks more than qualified to me, its amazing how some people look so comfortable at the helm.

Poly · 19 March 2007, 22:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by scm

With regard to points, simple really, client wants a female skipper.

I on the other hand do not mind or indeed specify what sex you are.

Stuart - your client is likely to be breaking the law by asking you to discriminate (unless I am missing the point and one of the very narrow range of Genuine Occupational Qualifications applies in this instance - which I think is unlikely).

If you assist him to discriminate you are also likely be breaking the law.

Even your "advert" here could be considered to be in breach of the Sex Discrimination Act as it suggests an intent to discriminate.

scm · 19 March 2007, 23:17

Polwart, thanks for your comments.

I do not won't to go down this line as clearly this could go on for many a year about what is and isn't deemed part of the act. Also, this post is very simple in what i am after, all types of skippers and lets not start on about race/age etc either.

I will simply tell my client who i have available and he can pick...

All i care about is someone who can drive my boats and look after my clients, at the same time.

See ya
Stuart

Poly · 20 March 2007, 18:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by scm

I will simply tell my client who i have available and he can pick...

Now you see that is probably OK (assuming you give him their biogs/cvs rather than just pics in there bikinis!), and there is nothing wrong with you advertising and saying "we would particularly welcome applications from women and other under represented groups" - thats positive action not discrimination!

jwalker · 20 March 2007, 19:47

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Originally Posted by Polwart

..."we would particularly welcome applications from women and other under represented groups" - thats positive action not discrimination!

It is?

Aidan · 20 March 2007, 22:57

I am glad to see that not one of you mentioned as to how they drive...
Should be no problem for them, is there a rear view Mirror?.....

Oh! if its not impolite, I forgot to ask, do you need big Tourist Trophys..s

OOPS, I shouldnt have said that, should I?

martini · 20 March 2007, 23:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdt

try contacting this seller as they seam to know a skipper who on the face of things looks like she could fit the bill

http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/HCM002/

"Which way is left again?"

Cookee · 21 March 2007, 14:54

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Originally Posted by martini

"Which way is left again?"

No Lifejacket either

Simon B · 21 March 2007, 15:20

This lady looks competent!

DGR · 21 March 2007, 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Polwart

Stuart - your client is likely to be breaking the law by asking you to discriminate (unless I am missing the point and one of the very narrow range of Genuine Occupational Qualifications applies in this instance - which I think is unlikely).

If you assist him to discriminate you are also likely be breaking the law.

Even your "advert" here could be considered to be in breach of the Sex Discrimination Act as it suggests an intent to discriminate.

If it is a him, then you may be right - but if the client is female, then I think you may be wrong...

As I understand it, a woman can request/specify a female taxi driver, or female doctor etc. quite legally......

And I know of one company that specifies male teachers - because female teachers would be completely pointless in the Middle East (illegal) - so there are exceptions to the rule.

D...

Poly · 21 March 2007, 19:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGR

If it is a him, then you may be right - but if the client is female, then I think you may be wrong...

As I understand it, a woman can request/specify a female taxi driver, or female doctor etc. quite legally......

And I know of one company that specifies male teachers - because female teachers would be completely pointless in the Middle East (illegal) - so there are exceptions to the rule.

D...

I'm not wrong! My original question was is there a Genuine Occupational Qualification (GOQ) for it being a woman? GOQs are a very tightly defined list of reasons within the SDA when it is acceptable to specify the gender of an employee.

Generally speaking you can request a female doctor if you are a women (although I don't know if you actually have a right to insist). You are not employing them (the NHS are) so you are would not be breaking the law anyway. However where it is due to e.g. reasons of undress then this is a GOQ. I assume that this is not an issue on a rib (it would be a little chilly).

I can't see any reason within the legal definition of GOQ's why you would be entitled to specify a female taxi driver, and a taxi firm recruiting only female drivers (e.g. in order to appeal to the female market) would almost certainly be breaking the law.

With your teaching example (presumably the person is employed in the UK but working overseas - otherwise the SDA is not really relevant) - this is also a GOQ as defined within the act.

NautiAndNice · 21 March 2007, 19:47

Oh Lord ... it pains me so much to have to tell you this...

Section 48 of the Sex Discrimination Act permits employers to "encourage" members of one sex only to take advantage of opportunities for doing particular work where that sex is under-represented in the workforce. An advertisement could legally include a statement encouraging members of the under-represented sex to apply, although the advert must not suggest that applicants from the other sex will be discriminated against in terms of who is selected for the position.

However, the act clearly states that advertising a job with a sexual connotation e.g. "postman" (or "Female Skipper/s") is taken to indicate an intention to discriminate (i.e. males will not be successful), unless the ad contains any indication to the contrary.