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Old 23 January 2006, 11:48   #11
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As regards safety and sitting on tubes etc - firsly I would have thought back injuries LESS likely as your seat is cushioned!!!

Also I think that the reason the Ocean Dynamics boat that capsized suffered no serious injuries with a full load of passengers was because they were all thrown clear.

I do NOT intend to have people sitting on the tubes on my boat but I think the pros and cons are pretty evenly balanced.

Shaun Whyte's trips were wilder than most and they had a great safety record.
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Old 23 January 2006, 12:17   #12
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Ozz, i notice you are in portsmouth, they required 3.0m and lferaft last year,,,i suppose it could be timing.

Also they will not issue a licence until they have seen the liferaft and the 3.0m cover on insurance, i suppose this ensures that people actually complete any exceptions
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Old 23 January 2006, 12:21   #13
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codprawn, i dont suppose it matters now, they will only issue for the seats, you have plenty so it makes no difference
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Old 23 January 2006, 12:55   #14
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Hi Jimbob,
I am actually licenced under Eastleigh as it is kept on the Hamble. They must have followed suit this year.
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Ozz, i see, yes they were a year behind, they used to allow the rib becuase it had sufficiet bouyancy and lifelines
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Old 23 January 2006, 13:18   #16
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codprawn, i dont suppose it matters now, they will only issue for the seats, you have plenty so it makes no difference
But it DOES make a difference if they are forcing people to do something that MAY not be as safe as it used to be!!!

Also what about coded dive boats that have no seats at all???
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Old 23 January 2006, 13:31   #17
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the diveboats might go under a workboat code as in tugs, I am not sure. Also don't forget a coding ticket is for five years. so a boat coded three years ago would be ok if it didn't comply with a 2 year old change in regs. They are subject to mid term inspections but I think that it's to ensure they are still up to snuff

I am unsure who is forcing who to follow unsafe practice. Eastleigh the MCA or the Ocean Dynamics operators.

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As regards safety and sitting on tubes etc - firsly I would have thought back injuries LESS likely as your seat is cushioned!!!

Also I think that the reason the Ocean Dynamics boat that capsized suffered no serious injuries with a full load of passengers was because they were all thrown clear.

I do NOT intend to have people sitting on the tubes on my boat but I think the pros and cons are pretty evenly balanced.

Shaun Whyte's trips were wilder than most and they had a great safety record.
I belive on another occasion they hurt a few of their passengers when they slammed down on the chequerplate deck having lost their grip on the handles! whilst sitting on the tubes!!
My wife have hurt herself in the same manner,and belive me she's a strong girl, but lost her grip on the life lines.
Somebdy else pitched forward on a wild ride in the Solent and had 14 stitches in their forehead. It was a mess and happened on a corporate charter, co now being sued.

I think the reason the Ocean Dynamics boat capsized was driver error by the way, the fact that nobody was hurt was just plain lucky.
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I belive on another occasion they hurt a few of their passengers when they slammed down on the chequerplate deck having lost their grip on the handles! whilst sitting on the tubes!!
My wife have hurt herself in the same manner,and belive me she's a strong girl, but lost her grip on the life lines.
Somebdy else pitched forward on a wild ride in the Solent and had 14 stitches in their forehead. It was a mess and happened on a corporate charter, co now being sued.

I think the reason the Ocean Dynamics boat capsized was driver error by the way, the fact that nobody was hurt was just plain lucky.
Lets face it - taking passengers on rides through very confused water can NEVER be 100% safe - if people want 100% safety then they can stay on dry land.

The MAIB concluded that the company had taken all possible steps to ensure safety - including issuing pax with canoing helmets which they didn't need to do.

Probably the greatest safety factor of all though was the fact they always ran 2 boats at the same time so when the accident took place they pulled the people out very quickly. FAR safer than any liferaft!!!

To be honest I don't feel very safe sitting on the tubes but i do think it's a bit of a case of "swings and roundabouts"!!!
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Old 23 January 2006, 14:26   #20
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Lets face it - taking passengers on rides through very confused water can NEVER be 100% safe - if people want 100% safety then they can stay on dry land.

I'd go for the 10 meg insurance option if I was you!
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