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Old 26 April 2005, 08:41   #1
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Does boat need to be coded?

If it is going to be used for film work? ie NO fare paying passengers? What about
if you carry the camera man?
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Old 26 April 2005, 09:43   #2
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From the MCA Website, as the yellow codes says, its for small commerical vessels, you must decide if you are operating commerically or not. Worth buying the Yellow book if you are thinking of going down this route.

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Small Vessels operating commercially under the British Flag or in British waters must comply with the Merchant Shipping Regulations or an MCA Code of Practice. There are currently four codes for Small (up to 24m) Vessels.

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There is also a Code of Practice for commercially operated yachts 24m and over
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If someone is paying you for the use of your boat then it does need to be coded. For filming the boat will be classed as a workboat. Use either the old workboat code or soon the workboat specific parts of the new code.

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To complicate things further the use of the boat won't be paid for as such - only royalties from the film when it is later released!!!
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Hmmm

Not sure about that. However, if you are going to have other people on your boat for which you will receive some payment - albeit at a later date - I think the safest way is to assume that it is a commercial arrangement and be coded accordingly.


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Not sure about that. However, if you are going to have other people on your boat for which you will receive some payment - albeit at a later date - I think the safest way is to assume that it is a commercial arrangement and be coded accordingly.

If the boat only has me an a few mates on board and a fixed camera I wonder of that will be ok??? Mainly the action shots will be taken from land/bridges/helicopter etc etc. Mates will NOT be paid!!!
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to look at it another way.
If is all went to rat s**t would the guys/girls on the boat try and sue you?

If yes then make sure you have done it by the numbers.

If there were a MAIB investigation you want to make sure you have it 100% right.
It never pays to take the short cut.

Not saying that it will all go the way of the pear but I look at things from a worse case attitude.

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One of my friend swas in the same position, not with a rib but a 34 cruiser - the only way to be safe e.g litigation is code, also the code is now harmonised for that yellow, blue....are covered in one doc, i cannot remember the ref but its on the MCA web site. MGN???. there is a tread if you need the ref.

I dont think using the comment "no paying passengers" will work as they are a film crew.

As i said my mate did a film crew - get coded - get safe
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If you go down the coded route make sure the skipper is commercialy endorsed as well, or you will find you insurance is not worth a sausage. If you are receiving some Royalties even at a later date it's still payment so you are operating a commercial vessel. PLUS SIDE IS you can claim back the fuel duty on all voyages made for commercial gain but not when you use it for pleasure.
If you do not have it already ,do the Advanced powerboat ,then the sea survival course and then book you exam with a Powerboat trainer or Yachtmaster examiner Motor Cruising who is on the RYA list of examiners .
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If you go down the coded route make sure the skipper is commercialy endorsed as well, or you will find you insurance is not worth a sausage. If you are receiving some Royalties even at a later date it's still payment so you are operating a commercial vessel. PLUS SIDE IS you can claim back the fuel duty on all voyages made for commercial gain but not when you use it for pleasure.
If you do not have it already ,do the Advanced powerboat ,then the sea survival course and then book you exam with a Powerboat trainer or Yachtmaster examiner Motor Cruising who is on the RYA list of examiners .
I will be going down this road eventually but HATE red tape!!!

Surely a boat used just for part of a film or in an advert doesn't need to be coded??

Mine will be used for a lot more than that but just wondering!!!
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