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Old 15 December 2008, 13:41   #11
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Nik have a chat with Searider on this site- does RIB survey work and knows both coding processes
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Old 15 December 2008, 14:16   #12
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Before you go to all of this expense to set up to the same standard as a charter boat.

Are you going afloat taking photos and selling them?

OR

Are people hiring you and your boat for photography work?

If it's the former keep your head down and get on with snapping your pics. There are several well know Solent photographers who do not own coded boats.

If is the second then you are effectivly setting up for hire / charter and nned to think about coding, certification, insurance etcs.

Dont make your life unnecessarily complicated
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If it's the former keep your head down and get on with snapping your pics.
Having already discussed your situation directly with the MCA, this may not be an option for you.

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There are several well know Solent photographers who do not own coded boats.
We'd like to think that coding regs are there for a purpose. Where that purpose is to safeguard paying customers or paid staff it would be inexcusable to try and cheat the system. If the coding argument seems to be more about another opportunity for revenue generation for Mr Brown and his pals (as could be argued in the case of operators like Nick) then it's a rather different story. However, there is a great temptation for those who do spend a lot of time and money complying with the rules to blow the whistle on others who choose not to. I don't know what it's like in the Solent, but we have had a few examples of that up here
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My question was, "is he a guy that may happen to be sat on his boat when he takes a photo that he later sells?" If so coding is not required.

I totally agree that coding is there to protect customers and staff, however i'm not 100% sure that either will be on Niks boat, in other words if the boat is not part of the service or carrying cargo or passengers then it may be that coding is not required.

Im not suggesting cutting corners with regulations, simply making sure that they are appropriate and that you have to comply before you go through the motions.

A little more info from Nik and we could all advise him better
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Old 16 December 2008, 12:48   #16
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Hello Doug, I am sure you are correct that I could troll around snapping away and nobody would bat an eyelid. My conversation with Mr MCA was on a no names basis.
But I am interested in getting the boat coded. I have a commercial ticket and the boat is a missing link. So this may enable me to pick up a bit of work in the future.
I am also interested in not paying the b*!%@y duty imposed on diesel.

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[QUOTE=SeaSkills;275136] Coding applies to "United Kingdom (UK) vessels of up to 24 metres Load Line length which are engaged at sea in activities on a commercial basis, which carry cargo and/or not more than 12 passengers, or provide a service in which neither cargo nor passengers are carried, or are UK pilot boats of whatever size."

Don't quite see how taking photos fits this unless someone directly hires you to take photos (in which case it will). But if you just go out taking photos for your pleasure which you later sell? How are they going to check?

You will take a long time to offset the cost of extra equipment, insurance (double) and the survey inspection (bank on 1.5k minimum by time licensing authority have their big cut) against the duty you can reclaim (if ever). Insurance and liferaft hire alone will probably be more than fuel duty reclaimed.
Not to mention the hastle of coding if you do it yourself or the extra cost of getting someone to do it. Having done it, it helps if you know the code regulations well it will save you the cost of a second survey visit.

Having said this I have reported someone for not being coded don't see why people should get away with carrying inocent paying passengers and not be up to spec. So if you plan to carry bods then get your boat up to the standards.

Just to put the cat further into the pidgeons, ths summer I saw a 6 metre humber belonging to a very well known photographer and it wasn't coded!!
Not the one I reported by the way that was a dive operator. Wonder what would have happened insurance wise if their was an accident?
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The coding regs are primarily to regulate boats which carry passengers....and rightly so.....if there were no regs every cowboy would be out there.
However the Coding Regs also cover WORK BOATS.....If the boat used for work it should be coded. I suppose the Photographers and others who use uncoded boats for work purpose will eventually find the long arm of the law stretching out to meet them some time...probably after some cowboy has an accident!
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Surely the amount you save on fuel makes coding worth it?
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And we wonder why people give up trying to run businesses in this country...

I really must look into putting boats on the Liberian register...
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