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Old 18 September 2004, 04:08   #21
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Hi Daniel
your best bet would be to approach the MCA the office local to me is 023 8032 9100 they will be able to help and advise you, good luck and keep us posted.
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Old 19 September 2004, 12:10   #22
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Victorian MCA re diabetes

The mca were accused of being victorian by a pal of mine who like me is insulin dependant.

The whole subject has been researched by me in great depth.I have to say I feel it is fair to say they will consider the diabetic skipper but not solo in most cases.
The bottom line is that a decision has to be made, people who are in authority do not like being told that a yes no tick box is the way to go so I reccommend pushing it and challenging the old idea that a balanced diabetic is prone to,
not be able to resuscitate a casualty
crew the boat without hypo,
balance is poor and therefore unsafe if you have a cold or get cold etc etc etc.
The sooner we sort this obviously (well intended admittedly)outdated approach the better.
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Old 19 September 2004, 19:56   #23
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I thinkhe was not allowed to be an RYA Instructor(if passed course).Due to his current medical condition,as on course have to sign form to say medically fit and not suffering from any long term medical condition.
But check with Mike
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I did the RYA instructor course some 4 or 5 years ago and although I never used it (I did it mainly for my own interest) I have never been told I couldn't use it for any reason.
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Okay well, more diabetics on here than i thought! Time to post a poll in the general discussion

If we could get something set up between us, and approach the MCA, we could perhaps floor them or get into a good argument with them... Get attention drawn to it will help..

Mike, do you still have any of the info? if so, can you email it to me, i can stick it online for all of us to read..

Rupert, does this mean i can hire you to instruct me in advanced powerboat? hahaha
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Old 20 September 2004, 19:03   #25
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A campaign would be of little use as the official line is that any medical is carried out on a case by case basis. I would tend to agree with this as long as there was not a blanket ban on diabetes.
Confirming there isn't a blanket ban seems to be difficult.
You cannot successfully argue for every diabetic to be allowed to get a commercial medical and although I have IDDM I would be the first to object to a campaign to try and achieve this. This may seem strange but not every diabetic is capable of looking after themselves properly and taking away all the restrictions would end up eventually with them being put in place again for everyone.
I sucessfully argued my case for diving and even changed some UK policy after the rules were tightened up to ban diabetics from diving some time ago. By fighting for a case by case medical it was changed so that if you could prove you were fit you could dive.
I have been meaning to start on the MCA but have never got around to it other than preliminary questions, you see, I don't like being told I can't do something by a faceless official who doesn't know me when I know perfectly well I can
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Rupert, you have hit the nail on the head... what you just said is 100% what i would stand for...

However, if the rules seem vague, we could always try to sort it out...
Perhaps a "specialist" assesement from an senior instructor, with diabetes? (my eyes are wandering into your direction..)

Same as with you, i dont like being told what i can and cant do on the basis of me having a condition that the people dont really understand..

Best thing in this situation i think is to clear it all up and make a summery of the currect rules and how to work them.

Just a question, have you always been IDDM? Were you already diving before you got it? What i fear is that i wont be able to prove myself, as i have about.... 40 minutes of underwater "experience" in my life? with about 30 of that in a swimmingpool...

And powerboating, probably close to 5 hours operating myself, and 24 hours with other people operating it... (so im relatively new you could say..)
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I was diagnosed about two years before starting diving. I started diving and only after a few months did I find out that a lot of folk thought I shouldn't be. By this time I knew enough to be sure I could so fought it.
After a number of years in the club system I qualified officially up to full trimix getting the rules changed to suit along the way where necessary. Now and for the last three years or so I dive where and when I want with folk I know mostly using my own boat or with folk from clubs I have met along the way on hardboat trips.
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various rude words!!!

my business Is going down the tubes next year as the MCA in their wisdom have decided that even catagorised waters require an ML5.

The position is that 100% of diabetics are refused solo skippering (I know because I have phoned them) They dressed it up saying well write in etc key mitigations etcany supporting evidence etc etc.

Angry does not even begin to touch on how I feel, This is a totally floored system where 20 years without hypos apparently adds up to the same as a person diagnosed last week ie FLAT REFUSAL.

I have decided to ask the mca why there is a blanket refusal, why also are we required to jump through the hoops and pay for an ml5 if at the end of the day they ignore what the gp says.

sorry about the rant I really am pxxxxd off with the situation.
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my business Is going down the tubes next year as the MCA in their wisdom have decided that even catagorised waters require an ML5.

The position is that 100% of diabetics are refused solo skippering (I know because I have phoned them) They dressed it up saying well write in etc key mitigations etcany supporting evidence etc etc.

Angry does not even begin to touch on how I feel, This is a totally floored system where 20 years without hypos apparently adds up to the same as a person diagnosed last week ie FLAT REFUSAL.

I have decided to ask the mca why there is a blanket refusal, why also are we required to jump through the hoops and pay for an ml5 if at the end of the day they ignore what the gp says.

sorry about the rant I really am pxxxxd off with the situation.

Best they don't copme on to me asking for any favours!!!

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I don't pretend to have any relevant experience particulalry in this area but i would have thought that a challange based on the Disability Discrimination Act http://www.disability.gov.uk/dda/#part1 might have some basis. Would not an organisation such as http://www.diabetes.org.uk/ be very keen to back such an approach?

Of course it would be time consuming & hard work but it is often only by one persons dogged determination that rules are changed to become more flexible

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