Current Day Rates

[s.tree]

Hi all. Just spend the last few hrs reading through all the old posts from when this section started.

So, as per title, what are the current day rates for skippers for the following:

wind farm offshore
tug inland/costal
day charters
deliveries

The last time someone asked was back in 2008 and with inflation etc Im assuming they have gone up.

Im just about to finish YM and will start applying soon through contact that I've already made and dont want to under charge for my time.

Thanks for all the replies and as always, any advice and feedback always welcomed

Stephen

[steadyeddie]

you"ll find the employer will tell YOU the current rate not vice versa ! set yourself a target what you think your worth ,take into account travel ,accommodation what your leave pattern is ie 2/2 ,2/1 etc , £150 a day sounds ok but if theres no leave pay or digs or travel it works out less than the minimum wage !!!

[s.tree]

Originally Posted by steadyeddie

you"ll find the employer will tell YOU the current rate not vice versa ! set yourself a target what you think your worth ,take into account travel ,accommodation what your leave pattern is ie 2/2 ,2/1 etc , £150 a day sounds ok but if theres no leave pay or digs or travel it works out less than the minimum wage !!!

Thanks for that. I realise that they tell me how much the pay is but I didnt want to be sold short being newly qualified. As in the diving industry that I've worked in, employers will try and get away with 'will gain valuable experience but no pay' for new instructors.

Thanks and keep the replies coming

[Doug Stormforce]

Originally Posted by steadyeddie

.......£150 a day sounds ok but if theres no leave pay or digs or travel it works out less than the minimum wage !!!

It is really not very helpful to the work force or to employers to make such an inaccurate statement

Minimum wage is £6.08/hr

If you were earning £150 a day and you worked 24 hours a day you are still being paid more than minimum wage.

If you worked 12 hours a day at this rate you would be earning twice the minimum wage

If you were on a 8 hour day then three times the minimum wage.

You don't really have to do any particularly complicated sums to see that even allowing for some holiday pay someone on more than twice the minimum wage would still be earning well in excess of the minimum wage.

Minimum wage has no bearing on travel, we all have to pay to get to work regardless of what we earn.

Put it in to perspective. If you worked a 5 day week at £150 a year and had 28 days off, you would be taking home nearly £35,000 a year before tax- some how i think this is considerably more than the minimum wage.


The truth of the matter is a newly qualified Yachtmaster earning £150 a day should be very happy. Day charters generally pay considerably less than this and delivery work is very competitive and often less.

Commercial world generally pays more than the leisure world and has a totally different working environment.

My advise would be to focus the next 12 months on experience, I am not saying work for free but it would be naive to think an employer is keen to let a newly qualified skipper look after his customers and or his craft.

[s.tree]

Thanks for the reply. I hear what your saying about working for the next 12 months to get some experience, what I didnt say was that I have been skippering day charters and dive boats in the Caribbean since 2006 and have racked up alot of miles and hours (all now logged). Dealing with customers and giving them the experience is whats its all about over there as the better time they had, the more they tipped and the more we earned as a result.
Im looking at getting more into the commercial side rather that the leisure side as I can do the leisure over seas in much better weather and better pay that what I've seen advertised.

Thanks again for the heads up on things and keep the posts coming

[Polwart]

Originally Posted by s.tree

The last time someone asked was back in 2008 and with inflation etc Im assuming they have gone up.

I'd be surprised if they had, freelance rates in most industries haven't really changed in that time (economic climate and people made redundant starting up freelance means supply and demand is in the "buyers" favour). In fact some industries have seen rates FALL since the crisis hit in 2008.

[s.tree]

Originally Posted by Polwart

I'd be surprised if they had, freelance rates in most industries haven't really changed in that time (economic climate and people made redundant starting up freelance means supply and demand is in the "buyers" favour). In fact some industries have seen rates FALL since the crisis hit in 2008.

very true Polwart, very true

[steadyeddie]

you failed to take into account board and lodgings which if you were paying yourself would be £30 a day making the £150 now £120 a day which in my calculations is LESS, than the minimum wage,so take 250 days working @less £30 a day board and lodge is £7500 less than the £35000 you mention

Originally Posted by Doug Stormforce

It is really not very helpful to the work force or to employers to make such an inaccurate statement

Minimum wage is £6.08/hr

If you were earning £150 a day and you worked 24 hours a day you are still being paid more than minimum wage.

If you worked 12 hours a day at this rate you would be earning twice the minimum wage

If you were on a 8 hour day then three times the minimum wage.

You don't really have to do any particularly complicated sums to see that even allowing for some holiday pay someone on more than twice the minimum wage would still be earning well in excess of the minimum wage.

Minimum wage has no bearing on travel, we all have to pay to get to work regardless of what we earn.

Put it in to perspective. If you worked a 5 day week at £150 a year and had 28 days off, you would be taking home nearly £35,000 a year before tax- some how i think this is considerably more than the minimum wage.


The truth of the matter is a newly qualified Yachtmaster earning £150 a day should be very happy. Day charters generally pay considerably less than this and delivery work is very competitive and often less.

Commercial world generally pays more than the leisure world and has a totally different working environment.

My advise would be to focus the next 12 months on experience, I am not saying work for free but it would be naive to think an employer is keen to let a newly qualified skipper look after his customers and or his craft.

[Boats&Outboards]

Originally Posted by steadyeddie

you failed to take into account board and lodgings which if you were paying yourself would be £30 a day making the £150 now £120 a day which in my calculations is LESS, than the minimum wage,so take 250 days working @less £30 a day board and lodge is £7500 less than the £35000 you mention

I'm not at all up with current laws or considerations at to "the norm" in this field but if you choose to work outside of your area you should cover the cost of travel and hotels ??? Why should that be deducted from your salary thus bringing your hourly rate under the min wage ?

Granted employers may add that as a benefit but imagine if we all expected that. I used to work in a call centre as a kid on around £7 per hour, I had to travel 35 miles per day to do the job but I never expected that to be paid by them, nor for them to pay for me to stay locally. I had to decide if doing the travel was worth it for me, or look for work loser, or even move closer to the work

Surely it's the same ??? If I worked out travel etc I'd be earning under min wage back then too but I was happy to have the job. At the time

Like I said though I'm not familiar with how it all works in terms of chartering etc

Peter ~ Boatsandoutboards4sale ~ askboatsandoutboards4sale@sky.com ~ 07930 421007

[chewy]

Originally Posted by Boats&Outboards

I'm not at all up with current laws or considerations at to "the norm" in this field but if you choose to work outside of your area you should cover the cost of travel and hotels ??? Why should that be deducted from your salary thus bringing your hourly rate under the min wage ?

Granted employers may add that as a benefit but imagine if we all expected that. I used to work in a call centre as a kid on around £7 per hour, I had to travel 35 miles per day to do the job but I never expected that to be paid by them, nor for them to pay for me to stay locally. I had to decide if doing the travel was worth it for me, or look for work loser, or even move closer to the work

Surely it's the same ??? If I worked out travel etc I'd be earning under min wage back then too but I was happy to have the job. At the time

Like I said though I'm not familiar with how it all works in terms of chartering etc

Peter ~ Boatsandoutboards4sale ~ askboatsandoutboards4sale@sky.com ~ 07930 421007

I work as a contractor and if someone expects me to work away from home then I would expect the rate to reflect me having to travel and sort digs out. Alternatively I would expect to be given an allowance per day to be spent on accommodation, if I decide to find cheap digs and spend the rest on drink thats my choice.