Commercial Yachtmaster ticket use?

C2 RIBS · 27 September 2010, 18:41

Looking for help to understand whether a Yachtmaster Commercially endorsed allows powerboat usage or does there have to be another endorsement?

sarahscottiedog · 27 September 2010, 19:58

Hi,

depends if it is a yachtmaster sail, or yachmaster power !
I have a yachtmastet sail, but thats no good for driving Ribs ! had to go and do my advanced PB to drive ribs. You can do a sail to power conversion for the yachtmaster (or visa versa), but you still have to have done alot of sea miles etc and still have to take an assesment (which can't just be on a single engined rib - must be a twin engined cruiser or simular)
It is much easier to do the advanced PB, especially if you have yachmaster back ground

Doug Stormforce · 27 September 2010, 21:37

Bit of a myth, this one Im afraid

As far as the law in concerned (MCA, code of practice etc), there is no distinction between RIBs and larger motor boats.

Yachtmaster Offshore Certificate of Competence allows you to skipper up to 150NM from a safe haven.

Adv PB Cert of Comp. allows you up to 20NM from the same

Both allow up to 24m, 12 passengers, day and night. (YM can extend the 24m to 200 tonnes)

Both are perfectly acceptable for RIBs, however the code also states that you should have relevant experience for the vessel you will be driving

Yachtmaster Power does not have to be on a twin engine (although often is).

Yachtmaster Sail however does not cover you for powered craft. It covers you for sail craft with an aux engine.

Doug Stormforce · 27 September 2010, 22:44

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Originally Posted by Doug Stormforce

Bit of a myth, this one Im afraid

As far as the law in concerned (MCA, code of practice etc), there is no distinction between RIBs and larger motor boats.

Yachtmaster Offshore Certificate of Competence allows you to skipper up to 150NM from a safe haven.

Adv PB Cert of Comp. allows you up to 20NM from the same

Both allow up to 24m, 12 passengers, day and night. (YM can extend the 24m to 200 tonnes)

Both are perfectly acceptable for RIBs, however the code also states that you should have relevant experience for the vessel you will be driving

Yachtmaster Power does not have to be on a twin engine (although often is).

Yachtmaster Sail however does not cover you for powered craft. It covers you for sail craft with an aux engine.

As I have just had a pesky freelancer read this and email me, I should clarify further.

Under the harmonised code a YM Offshore sail can not skipper RIBs but if operating under the nominated point of departure code he can.

Rogue Wave · 27 September 2010, 22:49

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Originally Posted by Doug Stormforce

Yachtmaster Power does not have to be on a twin engine (although often is).

.

Can you take it on a large single engined open RIB?

Doug Stormforce · 27 September 2010, 23:18

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Originally Posted by Rogue Wave

Can you take it on a large single engined open RIB?

Negative.

Boat should be 7-24m and equipped for offshore cruising. It is deemed that an open boat is not suited for offshore cruising for these purposes.

A few years ago we had a customer in the offshore industry who wanted to take his YM on board his own cabin RIB with twin outboards, this was allowed but only after we requested and provided a photo of the RIB in question.

Remember its not the number of engines that determines suitability of a boat and remember the line does have to be drawn somewhere.

Rogue Wave · 28 September 2010, 06:11

Thanks, I thought as much I guess an eight metre coded cabin rib with an inboard Jet, full .electronics and radar would be ok then

C2 RIBS · 28 September 2010, 06:19

Thank you, it is the relevant experience angle I will have to assess to allow RIBs to be helmed.

alant1 · 28 September 2010, 09:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Stormforce

Bit of a myth, this one Im afraid

As far as the law in concerned (MCA, code of practice etc), there is no distinction between RIBs and larger motor boats.

Yachtmaster Offshore Certificate of Competence allows you to skipper up to 150NM from a safe haven.

Adv PB Cert of Comp. allows you up to 20NM from the same

Both allow up to 24m, 12 passengers, day and night. (YM can extend the 24m to 200 tonnes)

Both are perfectly acceptable for RIBs, however the code also states that you should have relevant experience for the vessel you will be driving

Yachtmaster Power does not have to be on a twin engine (although often is).

Yachtmaster Sail however does not cover you for powered craft. It covers you for sail craft with an aux engine.

My YM Cert of Comp, states 200 GRT & has done for some time. The 24m endorsement no longer exists & is not mentioned on my tickets.

Doug Stormforce · 28 September 2010, 18:35

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Originally Posted by alant1

My YM Cert of Comp, states 200 GRT & has done for some time. The 24m endorsement no longer exists & is not mentioned on my tickets.

Both tickets are used throughout the small commercial vessel codes (MGN 280, harmonised code). This code covers craft up to 24m.

The YM Offshore also allows you to skipper vessel under 200 tonnes coded under that large yacht code, however a number of other requirements kick in as well.

It is not a case of the 24m endorsement no longer exsits, it was never an endorsement.

alant1 · 29 September 2010, 09:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Stormforce

Both tickets are used throughout the small commercial vessel codes (MGN 280, harmonised code). This code covers craft up to 24m.

The YM Offshore also allows you to skipper vessel under 200 tonnes coded under that large yacht code, however a number of other requirements kick in as well.

It is not a case of the 24m endorsement no longer exsits, it was never an endorsement.

Didn't it used to be 24m OR 200 grt, (whichever the larger)?