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Old 16 March 2004, 10:21   #11
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You will not be able to commercially endorse the Intermediate

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Old 16 March 2004, 10:31   #12
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Dylan, I hear what your saying but I was out in Solent on Sunday and there wasn't a lot of other people around.

Also would you want your wife or children going to sea on a commerical boat trip without a liferaft or in date and inspected lifejackets ?

Finally the small charter fishing boats have generally got there act together on the south coast. They are not going to let anyone with a rib turn up and take there percieved business away with a boat that doesn't meet statutary requirements. By the same token a rib charter company who is playing by the rules will be more expensive than someone just doing it for pin money without coding. If that was your business would you allow someone to undercut you who isn't playing by the rules ?

By the way you also need a barometer, although got knows what for and they are not exactly reknown for being water proof but the surveyor checked to see if I had one.

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Old 16 March 2004, 11:10   #13
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Commercial endorsement

I completed my Advanced PB last week and am will be getting it commercially endorsed which, according to the instructor means that i will also need the following:

VHF operators certificate
Sea survival training
1st aid training
Medical examination

As far as i have understood, this will then need to be checked by the RYA and stamped. This will then mean that the commercial endorsement will be valid for 3 years and upon renewal, a refresher course will have to be sat in sea survival and first aid along with another medical.

I have also been told that the commercial endorsement will allow me to operate a power driven vessel upto 25m LOA, day or night with paying passengers aboard.

Not sure if its all correct though.....everyone seems to have a different opinion!

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Old 16 March 2004, 12:32   #14
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Seb,
The commercial is valid for 5 years and a medical and in date 1st Aid cert is required to renew. The sea survival is a one off.
To do your Advanced you should have already have VHF and a valid 1st aid cert.
The ticket allows you to carry upto 12 fare paying passengers provided the vessel is coded for that number. An open rib can only be coded to operate upto 20 miles from a safe haven in daylight hours and good weather. The weather bit is upto the dicresion of the skipper.
Since I got my ticket at the end of last year I think the length of boat you can operate is changing or that may be something to do with the ICC, not sure.

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Old 16 March 2004, 14:22   #15
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Ian hi
the icc will change for below and above 10metres
i think it is one of the more sensible ideas eg do your pb2 on a lets say 5.4 rib apply for your icc and it is issued for power up to
24 metres crazy!as for the intermediate i would have liked to have seen this as the icc .
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Old 16 March 2004, 16:02   #16
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I'm with you on that. I got my ICC and couldn't believe I could charter a 74' boat (if I had the money), as my previous experience, strangely enough, had mostly been on a 5.4 Searider.
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Old 16 March 2004, 17:19   #17
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Many people find it quite bizare that passenger aircraft dont carry parachutes. Most of the time they are worthless but now and again they could save lives.

We treat with disgust when we find out that a newly qualified road driver has a serious accident and we blame it on lack of experience.

Thus

Liferafts are an essential piece of equipment. The cost of the raft is part of the customers price ticket and those that grumble at 500 per year have only 2 reasons. Firstly cost - then it is profit vs life ( the argument of only 3 miles/harbours does not apply as drowning is relative to many factors but not depth of water/distance from land.) Secondly is space. Well simply a small RIB, if it is licenced for 12, may need a smaller PAX designation. It is no excuse to mitigate a raft for PAX.

Experience is second to nothing except where the law is concerned. Rightly qualifications must be in place but a good operator will not look at the minimum required to satisfy regs. An endorsment of up to 24m will assume an time served seaman who is capable of understanding a complexity and diversity of craft and their operations, so, as an employer, I would look at qualification backed by serious aplication.

I have barked about this subject before but you either do the job properly or leave it alone. There is no half way house and those who have invested our life into the commercial operations will not be happy with slack rules.

On another note the harmonised codes are suggesting an investigation into dive club status to ensure that the boat is correctly outside of coded vessels. I understand that this will include detailed checks of formal club status etc and that if non members are carried then coding is required. Maybe worth some looking at for dive users.


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Old 16 March 2004, 17:52   #18
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Agree

Very nicely put. Safety must come before all other considerations. Not only does the equipment need to be onboard it also needs to be in service/life date.
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Re: Pete7...

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Also, the RIBs that I've done courses on (in the last 18 months) didn't have ANY of the MCA coding kit on - and certainly no life raft - but unless I've misunderstood the new regs (which is a distinct possiblity!!), they will soon have to.

Dylan...

RYA Training Centres ribs are not required to be MCA coded. The RYA have their own regulations for training ribs and as such are exempt from coding unless the rib is to be used for other purposes i.e. charter work.
I think, but stand to be corrected, that RYA Training Centre ribs can only be used in designated waters as stipulated for each centre by the RYA.
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Yep. I would welcome much stricter qualification criteria for commercial drivers!

and the safety of passengers must be the first and biggest consideration to any maritime operation
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