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Old 10 August 2006, 12:00   #11
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Curious. That pdf appears to show that IOW County Council isn't a licencing authority anyway.

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Old 10 August 2006, 12:09   #12
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OK, the New Forest DC version is out of date. I found the current one on the Portsmouth Port web site:

http://www.portsmouth-port.co.uk/pmsc/sashma05.pdf

It does show Isle of Wight District Council as a licensing authority. However it still says (and this is the wording that Pete7 alluded to):

"A licence under this section shall not be required for any boat or vessel duly licensed by or under any regulations of the Marine & Coastguard Agency (or for a person in charge of or navigating such a boat or vessel)."

Which I think makes it pretty clear that that the Local Authority licences are local alternatives to full MCA coding, not an additional requirement. I suppose it's possible that the Isle of Wight Council has some byelaw that applies, but I think that's pretty unlikely.

This assumes that it's the skipper of an MCA coded boat we're talking about, not someone wanting to use their existing qualifications instead of a Boatman's Certificate for a Local Authority registered boat. If that's the case then these are the exemptions:

"Persons holding a current MCA Certificate of Competency for Deck Officers, RYA Yacht master or Coastal Skipper Certificate, MCA Boat Master's Certificate or other higher qualifications shall be exempt from all parts of the examination except that some licensing authorities may wish to examine all applicants on local knowledge."

Either way the advice appears to be wrong!

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Old 10 August 2006, 12:23   #13
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We had a very similar thing up here with Inverclyde Council. Previously, before the MCA CoP's our boats were licenced by the old Inverclyde District Council. When the MCA codes came out we transfered to them and then the Council wrote to us telling us that we were operating illegally as we did not have their licence.
After much tooing and froing we contacted the MCA at Southampton who advised us that regardless of what the Council was saying we were operating vessels under a Load Line Exemption and therefor could operated anywhere that we wanted within the code limits. The MCA wrote to the Council advising them of this and it all went away.
Strangley enough the never asked about the manning .
Sounds like Cowes is trying on much the same thing.
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Interesting thread

I run a RYA School and charter my rib
I have my Boatmans licence
I also have the following Commercial Endorsements to Advanced Powerboat and Yachtmaster Power and I am based in Cowes Isle of Wight and must display my boat's Licence and produce my boatmans licence if asked to do so by the Isle of Wight County Council Inspectors .I also skipper MCA coded boats
Never had a problem never heard of a problem .
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Just a thought but has the confusion arisen between the Council thinking that you wish your boat to operate under the solent standing committee rules if that is the case then the Isle of Wight Council as a issuing Authority will require you to have a local authority licence for you boat and a local authority boatmans licence to operate it . How ever if you are operating a MCA coded boat and hold MCA endorsed qualifications then you don't need local authority boat licence or boatmans licence.

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That currently is where the confusion is.

According to Gareth Davies, his reading of the Standing Committee Rules, still gives Local Authorities Licencing jurisdiction, even for MCA Commercially endorsed skippers on MCA coded vessels. Insisting that all should have Boatmans Licences.

However, a recent e-mail from him, after I copied him my e-mail to RYA Legal & him also receiving an e-mail from Mark Towl (MCA), suggests that he is now reconsidering his position.

Will post any new info.
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Old 10 August 2006, 19:05   #17
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Any comments on this thread from YBW then folks?
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My understanding on this subject is- If you have your boat liecensed through the council you have to have a boatmans liecence. I personally chose this route for chartering our Rib in the Solent area as the MCA codeing at the time was requireing a liferaft, I didn't want that expence and where do you put it! (herd a whisper this may have changed). I also hold RYA Advanced powerboat commercialy endorced.

May go MCA next year if you don't need a life raft as they seem to allow more persons on board. I can only accomodate 8 inc skipper, I know of MCA coded Cobra 8.5 with two less seats coded for 12 persons!!!
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you dont have to have a boatmans licence, if you have a suitable level of qualification. i coded mine with Portsmouth, they have a few quals they will accept, however in principle they add up to the MCA/RYA commercial endorsements anyway
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