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Old 12 October 2004, 07:42   #11
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Do you see this as making the advanced course more expensive if they have to be examined or are you referring to the commercial aspect of the course only
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I think the two things are distinct. I suppose an individual now has more choices depending on what they want to do:

• Take the Advanced Course leading to an Advanced Certificate. As stated this cannot be endorsed. This is as it is already and is the logical approach for someone keen to further their skills and experience.

Commercial users have three options as I see it:

1. Take the ‘exam’
2. Take their Advanced Certificate as a precursor to the exam, then do the exam.
3. Spend time with a school ‘training’ for the exam. This may or may not include the actual Advanced Course.

Clearly individuals will take their own view as to what serves them best but I suspect option 3 will appeal for individuals without Dayskipper Theory (or equivalent knowledge) as they need to be up to speed such that they can handle questions from the Dayskipper Theory exam with ease. Schools will spend time therefore with some people in a mini Dayskipper Theory type course helping them up to the level ahead of their assessment.

On balance I don’t think it will make much difference for schools financially. Whereas previously everyone who wanted the commercial endorsement took the Advanced Certificate now they have more options one of which doesn’t involve a school at all. Clearly only someone who is going to use the Commercial Endorsement will go to the effort needed to acquire it and I suspect people will divide fairly equally between the 3 options.

Ultimately what counts here is that these changes ensure that those that get Commercially Endorsed are very capable of being so. Equally, at a stroke School’s positions are easier as whilst someone may reach the standard for their Advanced Certificate they may not necessarily be at the level you would want them to be to take fee paying passengers out. This has always been a difficult area for Advanced Instructors.

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Old 12 October 2004, 08:05   #12
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Your last paragraph is a common area with me. Yes the adv pupils can do everything in the syllabus well but would I want them taking my rib out with paying passengers on board??

Sounds like a discussion Paul when we meet up at the end of the month of how it will all work.

Are you going the Coventry Tim to the conference?

Sorry I have not contributed earlier, been in Hospital for hernia op.
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Old 12 October 2004, 08:44   #13
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Hi Dave does not look as though i will be able to make it to Coventry as working shame, would like to hear first hand from you and Paul about what has been on the agenda and forums if you could drop me an email that would be great, as i see it from Pauls reply it is a good way foward on the commercial endorsement side of things and the 3 levels option to the students will be better its just how schools tailor the package do you think it would make sense to have a syllabus to cover this or do you think schools should be given the freedom to have a free hand in course content .running a mini Dayskipper course is not a bad idea for the work up course and perhaps a refresh on firstaid and vhf to be included also insurance and codeing for the commercial aspect
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Thanks again for all your replys. I'm quite relieved as I would have struggled to get the time off to get the Yachtmaster practical done this side of christmass.

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Thanks again for all your replys. I'm quite relieved as I would have struggled to get the time off to get the Yachtmaster practical done this side of christmass.

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Bear in mind for the future that if you want to do your yachtmaster practical exam then you will need a minimum of 2,500 miles and your miles from Ribs/Sportsboats dont count.
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Thanks should be ok as I spent 10yrs as a fishery officer, most as rib coxwain also delivered one of the old patrol vessels from Cornwall to Largs in Scotland. Did the Atlantic 21 coxwains course several years ago, just before it was RYA endorsed , and we were all told that they would not back-date them even though the content hadn't changed. Capsize and beaching (at 20knts) drills were great fun
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Bear in mind for the future that if you want to do your yachtmaster practical exam then you will need a minimum of 2,500 miles and your miles from Ribs/Sportsboats dont count.


Sorry Simon, but did i miss something? Do they count now?
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Sorry Simon, but did i miss something? Do they count now?
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Commercial Endorsement

coming back to this , last years conference discussed the need for guidance notes for the candidate and examiner, and Pre exam experience 60 hours 8 night hours , 16 hours as skipper 250 miles in varying conditions within the last 5 years similar to coastal skipper , also talk of revalidating Advanced Instructors , it will be intersting to see what comes out of this years conference
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To commercially endorse after 1st Jan 2005

For all of you in doubt what the new regulation is to be then here it is.

From January 2005 there will be a new system for obtaining a commercial Advanced Powerboat certificate.

Until the end of this year it is possible to commercially endorse any Advanced certificate regardless of whether it was obtained by doing a course or a direct assessment.

From January 2005 this will change: No Advanced course completion certificates issued after 1 st January 2005 will be commercially endorsed. Any new candidates for commercially endorsed Advanced certificates will require an exam. However, course completion certificates issued prior to 1 st January 2005 may be endorsed.

Exams will commence in January 2005 and will follow the same system that has been operated for commercial Yachtmasters and Coastal Skippers since the Codes of Practice were first introduced. The pre-requisite experience and qualifications for Advanced exam candidates will be as follows:
  • Minimum 2 years relevant experience including night pilotage (as a guide: 30 days, 2 days as skipper, 800 miles, 12 night hours). For holders of the RYA Advanced powerboat course completion certificate this seatime is reduced to: 20 days, 2 days as skipper, 400 miles, 12 night hours).
  • VHF/SRC operator’s licence
  • Valid first aid certificate
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