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Old 27 July 2004, 15:17   #11
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Pete 7 thanks for the reply bloody shame about your advanced, rope slides
wow bet that was interesting , it does pay to have a chat to the school first to make sure you are not aiming too high, and wasting your money when a lesser course ie the new intermediate will be of greater benifit, as not everyone wants to go out at night and some find it frightening, thats why we do night nav courses for students it gives them some experience of navigating at night and builds thier confidence, same goes for the electronic nav courses it builds from the level two and is excellent to then go on and do the intermediate, i hate having to give action plans but sometimes you have no choice , for me its not about bums on seats and cash through the till
its about giving the client what he /she has paid for, as i said i am only kicking the idea around due to the rules changing and am getting a few enquiries , so best place to ask is here i dont think for one minute there will be a big take up only 6/8 at the most but thought i would check the feedback first . Paul has read my mind on the pre assessment keep em coming
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Old 27 July 2004, 16:50   #12
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Tim. Good idea and think it is worthwhile.You know where i am if you need me.
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Old 28 July 2004, 03:47   #13
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Pete 7 thanks for the reply bloody shame about your advanced, rope slides
wow bet that was interesting , it does pay to have a chat to the school first to make sure you are not aiming too high, and wasting your money when a lesser course ie the new intermediate will be of greater benifit, as not everyone wants to go out at night and some find it frightening, thats why we do night nav courses for students it gives them some experience of navigating at night and builds thier confidence, same goes for the electronic nav courses it builds from the level two and is excellent to then go on and do the intermediate, i hate having to give action plans but sometimes you have no choice , for me its not about bums on seats and cash through the till
its about giving the client what he /she has paid for, as i said i am only kicking the idea around due to the rules changing and am getting a few enquiries , so best place to ask is here i dont think for one minute there will be a big take up only 6/8 at the most but thought i would check the feedback first . Paul has read my mind on the pre assessment keep em coming
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Old 28 July 2004, 03:47   #14
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If anyone has complaints about any RYA powerboat courses they have done please let Jon Mendez know at the RYA. Those schools running courses such as the one mentioned on this thread must be brought into line or RYA recognition withdrawn.
OK This mught sound a bit heavy, but it just really gets to me when I hear about this sort of thing. Most of us put alot of effort into running high quality courses which customers go away at the end of having had an enjoyable couple of days and reached the required standard as laid down in the syllabus.
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Old 28 July 2004, 04:00   #15
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David,

when you say the school mentioned in this thread are you refering to my comments re the instructors course if so I'd better expand on them. The school itself was a very well run and respected school the instructor an assesor could have been more established in their fields.

What I was really saying was don't automatically think that every PB instructor is god's gift to powerboating, it could be he is an extreemly able Yachtsman Instructor who has started powerboating as an income stream

However if a lifeboat coxswain or commercial fisherman wanted to teach me about the sea and about handling a boat therein....I am a listening whether he is an instructor or not!

There is a lot of good schools out there, what I am saying is if you are gonna get some training try going to a dedicated powerboat and check out the instructors logbook to make sure he has the relative experience.
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Old 28 July 2004, 12:36   #16
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Could not agree more.
I don't think you can be an expert in all areas. I have the same problem with a RTE near to me trying to be the best in every aspect of Sail, Motor and Power. May back fire on them one day.
I have been approached by the senior Helm of our local ILB. He wants his RYA Advanced PB Cert and is more than happy to do the course even though he has won awards for rescues whilst at the helm. His attitude is that you are always learning and you will never know everything!!
Every time I am on the water I normally learn something else. Towed in a hire boat on Monday who was firing flares near to Torquay. Motor cruiser got there first but was on passage so I towed him into Paignton. (L2 customers outboard soon covered the towing syllabus). He had steering failure. Wife got on the RIB he stayed on the hire boat with a 5hp on the back.
After a tow of about 20mins we came along side in the harbour and sure enough his steering wheel did not work. What the hire company did not tell them was that they could use the tiller on the engine!!!!!!!! They did not what the long black handle with a twist grip on it was for!!!!
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Old 28 July 2004, 12:37   #17
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Rogue,
Not, It was pete 7 who was not happy with his ADV PB.
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Gents, thankfully it was an attendance course to pick up the ticket which I should have done long ago but never actually got around to it. spent most of the weekend at the back of the rib listening to a rather sick Opti, just wondering when it was going to break down. Oh apart from a quick mutiny when I thought they were actually going through with the plan of travelling from Hamble to Portsmouth and back at night time in a F7 with a sick engine and no elephants trunk fitted to the rib. Thankfully I managed to persuade them that with a high tide we could go to Ely instead and still achieve all the aims of the course.

The instructor (and a good friend) did explain afterwards that he was astonished the RYA had given him those slides so we went with the syllabus and covered all the points required by the RYA.

However a commerical course with the backing / recognition of the MCA would be could be much more practical. Needs some thought to content and pre-requirements, length of course ect, perhaps run over two weekends to make it worth while.

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Old 28 July 2004, 15:18   #19
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Old 28 July 2004, 15:29   #20
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However a commerical course with the backing / recognition of the MCA would be could be much more practical. Needs some thought to content and pre-requirements, length of course ect, perhaps run over two weekends to make it worth while.

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i was thinking more like 3 weeks to cover the whole raft of topics spoke to Jon Mendez re this and no problems from him , there will be a pre assessment to the course its not a zero to hero course , and there is a lot to cover and sort out, two week ends is not enough for how i want to present the course
but am willing to get feedback on how people think it should be run more ideas the better really , i know some schools do it already so putting together a course is not too difficult so long as the content is at the right level just need to find the right level at the mo , there will be some RLSS SAR
stuff in there as well though not sure how much but all input positive or negative is good
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