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Old 29 January 2005, 12:40   #1
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coding my rib

Put this in the rib gallery by mistake



I have been in the process of potentially coding my rib, the intent would be to code it for the Solent. I have a list of parts that are required, which to be honest is what i would put on the boat anyway ......apart for a liferaft!

My questions are

1) where is the best place to get coding information as i got my list from a secondhand source. That is readable.
2) Will i need a liferaft for the Solent, if so i may drop the idea. I am sure the ribs i have seen dont have a liferaft...but i could be wrong

Advice welcome please. I have my commerical endorsment and all that jaz
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Old 29 January 2005, 12:57   #2
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Have a look in the commercial section. There are heaps of questions (and replys ) about the same thing there

< Edit: I've moved this thread to the commercial section now! JK >

Also check out the MCA website http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/mcga-gu...ions_-_mgn.htm and download MGN 280 (M). This gives you the things you will need to get your boat up to spec.
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Old 29 January 2005, 13:12   #3
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Also worth looking at this:

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http://www.ceproof.com/CEproof_Marine.htm
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Old 29 January 2005, 16:59   #4
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Coding for the Solent can be done in three maybe 4 places. The maybe being Southampton cos they were gonna start doing it again. John Kidman at VTS is your man to ask?

Eastleigh, Lymington and Portsmouth ( ho ho ho 2 - 1) My understanding is that Eastleigh Council is a bunch of do nothing dipshi*s and aren't worth bothering with. I know nothing about Lymington so I will tell you all I know about Portsmouth,

Firstly they are not in the 5th round of the FA Cup!

but your specific question about Liferafts is that the coding in Portsmouth is done by the Pilots office and the view thay take is that if the Rib has grabrails it doesnot require a Liferaft. It costs 80 quid an covers a thirty mile radius of Portsmouth and is a yearly ticket. Coding costa about a monkey in admin and lasts five years and lets you work anywhere. The rest of the safety requiremants are fairly harmonised.

If you do it and need any work let me know as weare getting a lot of enquiries at the moment!

Is CEproof Duncan? if it is he is Searider on this forum and knows his stuff!
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Rogue and all, thanks for the info, i have printed a copy of the MCA coding as well
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Old 31 January 2005, 04:39   #6
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Coding for the Solent can be done in three maybe 4 places. The maybe being Southampton cos they were gonna start doing it again. John Kidman at VTS is your man to ask?

Eastleigh, Lymington and Portsmouth ( ho ho ho 2 - 1) My understanding is that Eastleigh Council is a bunch of do nothing dipshi*s and aren't worth bothering with. I know nothing about Lymington so I will tell you all I know about Portsmouth,

Firstly they are not in the 5th round of the FA Cup!

but your specific question about Liferafts is that the coding in Portsmouth is done by the Pilots office and the view thay take is that if the Rib has grabrails it doesnot require a Liferaft. It costs 80 quid an covers a thirty mile radius of Portsmouth and is a yearly ticket. Coding costa about a monkey in admin and lasts five years and lets you work anywhere. The rest of the safety requiremants are fairly harmonised.

If you do it and need any work let me know as weare getting a lot of enquiries at the moment!

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Tis me. Thanks for the compliment - I would give you a green blob but they are no more.

At the moment the Eastleigh Borough Council certification is a bit up in the air. They are changing the surveying from being done by a Warsash based independent surveyor to the Hamble Harbour Master. This is due to happen in April. In the meantime I have carried out some of the inspections for them.

To get a copy of the requirements call Eloise Travis at Eastleigh Borough Council and she will e-mail you a copy of the requirements.

Having said that £80 for the Portsmouth Pilots to do the inspection looks like very good value.

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I am trying to do the same thing at the moment and found this site useful if you are going to use Portsmouth as the issuing authority.

http://www.portsmouth-port.co.uk/pmsc/

It outlines the requirements and forms are available online.

Not having much joy at getting hold of them though...

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Thanks OZZ

I have been on to eastleigh today and i think the same rules apply, i will check the link. Heres an email i sent to someone today, it a bit untidy, but i'm sure you get the gist. It work in progress

""""Hi both

I have attached the material I got from Eastleigh. After reading the material I think the following applies

From earlier discussions MCA doc - to get to cat 4 (which includes cat 5 and 6)” Anyway, I figure the best coding an open rib (without cabin) can expect is cat 4, with is 20 miles from safe haven, in daylight and reasonable weather” .However this needs a liferaft e.g.
Constructed to SOLAS standard, but equipped to “SOLAS B PACK”
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If you look at the Eastleigh material, It seems that the registration is the same depending where you register, you can register at many places (including Portsmouth and Chichester). So I think the comment I mentioned about Portsmouth Pilots refers to this document in some method.
There are 4 Category of vessel. Cat 4 will align with the MCAs codings (thus a liferaft will be needed to the spec above). However if I read the documentation properly, Cat 3 needs basically the same equipment as Cat 4, but
“but in addition to the 1 life jacket per person there shall be buoyant apparatus which together with the 2 lifebuoys in Category 1A shall be of sufficient aggregate capacity to support all on board. This may include DTp approved lifebuoys (a 800mm lifebuoy is considered sufficient to support two persons and a 610mm lifebuoy one person), DTp approved buoyant apparatus, liferafts or the vessel, provided that it has sufficient internal buoyancy to remain afloat and is fitted with suitable grablines, keel grab rails or bilge keels.”
Cat 3 Areas of operation
Normal and rough weather = Smooth and/or Partial smooth waters .
Very rough weather = smooth waters
In their classification rough = (1.2 to 2.5m) and very rough = (2.4 to 4m)
Areas of operation
1) Sheltered waters. They should not extend more that 15 miles from base exclusive of smooth waters or 3 miles from land
2) If you register at Chichester then smooth water is from a line drawn between Eastoke point and the spire, West Wittering. And Partially smooth, Inside the IOW bounderd by Needles to Trinty point and West Wittering, spire to basically Benmridge.
So if I read this correctly then cat C can operate within the boundaries of IOW as above providing the that weather state is rough, if it very rough you have to basically stay in the harbour. Also if my reading is correct, then a liferaft is not needed providing that it has sufficient internal buoyancy and GRABLINES
I have attached the doc for you to read. It all seems to line up with the comments other people have given me."
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Old 31 January 2005, 14:17   #9
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Couple of thoughts:

- I have no experienece of coding a RIB for operation soley in the Solent but have coded a few for elsewhere. The way your post reads is that what you need to do is pretty much the same as for full MCA coding, in which case why Solent code rather than MCA code? I imagine it is cheaper (in terms of survey costs) but does the saving justify the limits that you will place on your operation? With a 7.5m Scorpion you have an attractive boat for Corporate Entertainment and you may find that the money you initially save is materially offset by the revenue you lose from being unable to go further afield.
- We have coded two Scorpions, if you want to chat through things give me a bell
- One really good list we found of the kit you need for coding is available from Ribcraft - they will send you out a document if you happen to be thinking about buying & coding one of their craft
- I take it you've seen the various coding threads knocking about in this section on RIB.net

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Old 01 February 2005, 04:02   #10
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Thanks, i will call

Basically its down to

1) Solent being the main capture area
2) Liferaft - e.g price

But your point is a good one, apart from the liferaft the rest of the boat is ready
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