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Old 17 January 2003, 12:38   #21
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Im know expert DGPW but hopefully we can all help each other with all these things as on your own its real dificult.

And realy expensive.

All the best Crazy
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Old 17 January 2003, 13:00   #22
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Or write your own, complete and competent, risk assessment of your vessel, for your use, and use that if ever queried once you have produced it. For completeness produce another RA showing how code compliance would decrease the safety of your vessel.
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Old 17 January 2003, 14:10   #23
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The interesting thing is for me,I went abroad for what I wanted as there was only one cabin rib that I could purchase over here and I wasnt impressed for the money.

So thats what I did.I looked at some new Cabin work boat ribs here and also wasnt impressed,I have to say when I say wasnt impressed I actualy mean fantastick boats but not worth the money for a brand new boat imho,so i moved on to find my ideal.

It seems I was realy lucky as I could of bought a work boat that wasnt ce Marked and may of failed the stringent RCD restrictions on stability and boyancie,therfore i would of had to pay for whatever changes were required in the future.

The thing is what you going to do with an old workboat when your through with her after using her for her intended purpose?Maybe insurance companies will be ok about it?,in the long term who knows?

What is its range going to be C or B? If B then stability criteria kicks inn.?

Im putting my money on work boat catergories catching up to the RCD rules.


The othere coin is maybe RCD ribs under 8 mtrs ce marked c will be inshore or able to lounch from a vesell maybe same as at present and also used for charter also within the Cat C definitions,and over that length 8 mtrs cat B, able to do both charter and recreational with a bit of extra kit in offshore enviroments and to comply with work boat code.

Are you sure your happy you asked.

What phill has said is interesting as I think we know more about boats than they do.

Good luck and keep us posted.
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Old 17 January 2003, 15:50   #24
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I hope this may be of help

If you own a older rib that has subsiquently got a Ce mark for the same model as yours,It is realy cheap to get your boat CE marked as the costs are on a one off basis for all hulls that are manufactured out of the same mould.Any alterations you make may need approval and the cost is aproximatley maybe 400 for a full re inspection from a CE specialist.

The company who makes the boats may want more money from you as there aproximate costs for a cat B boat are inspections are in the region of 2k for all the models and they may not want the liability.

If you own a cat C boat and you want to go Cat B then you can do the tecknical file yourself,and get some specialist advice and read rcd specifications,as it is possible but the costs will be 1.5k+

If you own a none ce marked boat but it is a work boat then the manufacturer may help if it is subsequently the model is CE marked bye the builder,as it will have stability and can be applied retrospectivly providing the existing manufacturer plays ball etc.

If you own a protortype and subsequently you want cat B ce mark then for that model,then you could get it ce marked retrospectively providing the said manufacturer has ce marked that model of boat.alternativley you could put the boat through CE marking yourself,aprox cost 2k+.


If you own a none ce marked boat that your sure will go offshore in then you can pay for it to be Ce marking yourself,the costs are aprox 2k+for cat B a few changes that you may need to make it comply.imho its unlikley a boat less than 6 mtr will get Cat B imho.


So its not all doom and gloom exept for those that bought a big old work boat Rib and want to comply with todays RCD calculations for cat B offshore. If it passes stability and downflooding withought to much modification then you are ok- 2k.

The important guide for which you can maybe do nothing about is freeboard 4inch to be safe catB or 6inch for cat A,when fully loaded.with fuel and all people.

You may need to have less people on board to achieve this standard.Im not sure weather there are any twin diesls ribs less than 9 mtrs long that can achieve this! so be carefull.If they appear a bargain and are listed as a work boat and you want to run as a recreational boat long term for the future.

They may get an exemption ? but I cant say they will,so check them out first.

If this has happend I would suggest you speak to your trading standardes people or RCD consultants or live in the hope that the insurance companys dont swich on and make thing difficult in the future should you want to sell.This may well not happen.So this is not the end of the world but you need be aware of it.

I have no crystal ball and dont want to worry people but the implications of what is happening out there in conformatie world are quite concerning to say the least.

Maybe nobody will do anything as there will be a crossover of tecknology, but I am speaking from the stand point of what could happen and what things one should bear in mind for the future if you own a rib or are thinking of buying a new one and the 2nd hand value and the future is important to you.

The future is out of our control.

Your safest option at the present time is to have a CAT B boat rcd inspected and certified.IMHO for offshore use.And ask for the GZ curves before making a decision.

So Good luck and I hope there is something in what I have said that may be of help to existing rib owners and future ones.


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Old 17 January 2003, 20:58   #25
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Recreation Craft Directive Ce mark Design and use Recreational not Work boats.

All ribs built New after 1998

Design Categories
Category Significant Wave Height Beaufort
A - Ocean Exceeding 4m Exceeding 8 x This requires Stability Data Iso12217
B - Offshore Up to & including 4m Up to & including 8 x This Requires Stability data Iso 12217


C - Inshore Up to & including 2m Up to & including 6 x Self certified

D - Sheltered Up to & including 0.5m Up to & including 4

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Old 18 January 2003, 15:18   #26
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registration from c to b

i've been following this thread with interest, i thought it may be worth pointiong out a non boat problem area i encountered which stopped my whole project. i know this is not the area of discussion but i didn't get the info till i had gone a v/long way down the track!

skippers health; when you have waded through all that red tape and you do your application etc a medical form comes with it, it has loads of stuff on it including to my detriment insulin dependant diabetes, after conversations with their medical people i was advised that i would have to take an able bodied person with me in case i got ill at sea, on a small rib doing close coastal work this was a killer./.

i'm not saying unless you are A1 you won't get a ticket but there can be problems if you have one of their listed illnesses.
its worth a phone call.
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Old 18 January 2003, 15:31   #27
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Thats right Mike ,if somebody tells you they have a commercial ticket ity means they have a medical that they passed.

The RNLI turn people down as crew if you are colour blind its a shame as they im sure are just as able bodied as sombody who isnt but i understand why.
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Old 20 January 2003, 09:13   #28
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Um I must get a medical. Is is the MCA medical that is needed or will any one do. If it is where and how much are they.

Thanks again crazyhorse

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Old 20 January 2003, 10:15   #29
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Dave,

The medical needs to be a DTI / MCA approved medical. This can be done at any of their approved doctors, check their website as there a few in Plymouth but i doubt too many in Swindon!!

To go from cat 3 to cat 2 waters the skipper quals alos raise a notch from Advanced PB to YACHTMASTER OFFSHORE (POWER) not coastal skipper. Also you need sea survival, 1st aid and medical to be commercially endorsed.


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Old 20 January 2003, 11:59   #30
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Thanks Karl

I knew about the yacht maser, sea survival and first aid ect. I understand that you get all of the tickets and send them to the RYA to commercially endorse them. Attached is a doc that states what each qualification can do. Did you have your medical in Plymouth if so who with and how much?

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