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Old 18 January 2004, 15:29   #21
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Hi Paul,

Been down that route also and the Council are not interested. It was done before by Southampton water but this i'm not to sure about and i belive this has now stopped!

Why is it better/safer to have a coded boat? Mine has kit that i feel is more suited to working in the Solent,does it mean that a coded boat is better/safer than mine. My boat is rigged on my experiance of ribs and boats in general and not the code book that tells me i have to have X to make it safer/better. Can you honestly tell me that all the kit needed to code a rib is needed?

But as i first said where does it state that i need to code my rib in the solent to take fare paying customers?

Your right with regard to the 200 rib charter outfits but i bet that the majority are not coded. In fact on the MCA website there is a database of coded vessals:

http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/mcga-dq...rder=code_home

Although i think this is a voulantary database.

Like most though i am looking at getting on the water and if possible getting paid for it, when the opertunity arises. Why not.

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Old 18 January 2004, 15:38   #22
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Stuart,

whilst checking the equipment on board does take a considerable amount of surveyors time, he will also check that the boat conforms to the standards laid down in the Yellow code. So if it says you need weather tight hatches for engine vents then you do and he is going to check that they work. That fuel lines are the correct ISO and alternative starting and steering arrangements work etc.

The inspection of my P22 took about 3 1/2 hours including the stability test with nine people on board.

It is alot of work and cost. Budget £2k if you want to go down that route and as Paul says there are alot of ribs in the Solent to compete with. Hopefully those not coded will disappear as the MCA with there new fleet of Halmatic ribs makes there presence felt.

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Old 18 January 2004, 15:46   #23
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Hi pete,
2K for a days work now thats not bad
£200 quip an hour

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Paul,
I suspect the 2k is to equip the boat to the required standard.
Am I right, Pete?
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Pete,

Could you then tell me where it says that i have to code my boat to work in the solent ? and why will all the non coded boats disappear if they do not have to be coded because they are not at Sea but are in catagory c/d water?

How and what are the MCA going to enforce?

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The equipment required on a coded vessel is laid out in the code book which is available somewhere online in two parts. I printed it off as it's easier to read that way, approx 160 A4 pages.
The equipment is there for most incidents that might occur and experience doesn't count for anything. Most of us have never, and will never, experience a fire onboard but you still must have the facility to extinguish it, just in case.
The coding, I believe is for carrying fare paying passengers, not for the waters you intend to use a vessel in. The equipment is there for the safety of the passengers and crew and lastly the vessel itself.
As some charter concerns pay a lot of money to get their ribs upto standard and pay the commercial insurance on the boats, they are not going to take kindly to someone coming along with their uncoded rib carrying the equipment they think is acceptable and taking money for trips.
I have spent hours/days ploughing through the coding which in itself has cost hundreds of pounds and will be paying a further £500 approx for the survey. The equipment for Cat 4 essential for a certificate has cost a further £2000 approx (including the liferaft hire) and I would object strongly to someone with their own uncoded boat operating in the same area.
The code document states the equipment demanded for a certificate for all categories and it differs depending on what you intend to operate.
The safety of my customers, crew and me, are the most important consideration and the same should apply to anyone offering boat trips.
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If you get a COWBOY operating without this coding can he/she be done. Do the MCA(or who ever) have any clout or is it waving a finger at you tut tut you nasty boy and off you go
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They prosecute! Legislation and regulations are there for a reason whether we like it or not, compliance by most people is accepted, but there will always be those who think they can save some money by cutting corners.

Some Local Authorities do have the right to issue certificates but this is under powers handed down by the MCGA and these certificates are issued following a survey under the coding regulations. They are listed in the MCGA document which I am trying to find and will put the link here when I get it.

Here it is:
http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/mcga-re...ssels_code.htm

I can't get the links to open but these, I think, are the two parts of the harmonisation document. It's a discussion document at this stage or was at least when I printed it in November.
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Ian,

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The coding I believe is for carrying fare paying passengers, not for the waters you intend to use a vessel in.
The MCA code books state very clearly that it is for:

1.2 The Code has been developed for application to United Kingdom motor vessels of up to 24 metres Load Line length which are engaged at sea in activities on a commercial basis and which do not carry cargo or more than 12 passengers.

Note: At sea.

As part of the defination page:

“To sea” means beyond category D waters, or category C waters if there are no category D waters

3.1.1 Compliance with the Code satisfies the requirements of the Merchant Shipping (Vessels in Commercial Use for Sport or Pleasure) Regulations 1993 to the extent covered by 1.4 above. The Code may be applied to any United Kingdom commercially operated motor vessel of up to 24 metres load line length (and any such motor vessel registered or owned in an other country when it operates from a United Kingdom port) which proceeds to sea, does not carry cargo and does not carry more than twelve passengers

Note: "which proceeds to sea"

I most defently agree that if you want to go to sea and work you must follow the rules.

I do not go to Sea, by the MCA defination. The solent is not the Sea. So my point is where does it state the equipment and code that i need for the solent?

The equipment that i have is there because i take my family on the boat and they are far more important than any paying customers and it is very simaler to the coding anyway.

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Do traing boats need all that stuff
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