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Old 14 September 2010, 17:35   #11
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Old 14 September 2010, 17:41   #12
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Old 14 September 2010, 17:41   #13
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Welcome to ribnet btw! you've sparked some good posts, good for people to voice their views, yours included. Perhaps you saw inappropriate driving too that we're not privy too. Don't take the posts to heart or a personal attack. Have fun on here, most do and also learn a lot while doing so
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Old 15 September 2010, 03:11   #14
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I've seen RNLI crew, which is presumably your "gold standard for 'professional' seamanship" smoking on deck whilst not wearing a lifejacket. Admittedly on an AWB not a RIB.

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A little harsh. Incident occurred in 2008. They'd operated for 7 years prior. Appropiately qualified crew.
Actually (its been a while since I read it and my mind might be playing tricks) I thought there was a "question mark" over the coding/qualifications ?

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Two crew. 50+ yr old woman out on an adventure ride. At what point is it someones own risk! They weren't wave jumping particularly, there was no suggestion of wreckless driving.

If she fell horse riding should there have been a moving crash mat alongside if shed paid to do it?
I don't think that is necessarily a good comparison. Firstly, ask almost anyone getting on an "adventure rib ride" with a professional company to rank the activity in terms of perceived risk, and I think whilst you will probably find most people will not consider it as dangerous as horse riding / mountain biking / skiing or other such "adventure" sports. They would probably rank it on the same scale as going on a fairground ride (alton towers etc) - something which whilst "scary" at the time is believed to be a relatively low risk, or may even rank it alongside the sea safari type trips opperated by the same company.

Now even if your analogy were reasonable - would it be a good idea to take me (who's never ridden a horse) and put them on the livliest animal in the pack (analagous to sitting at the front of the rib) and then go somewhere where the animal is likely to be a bit excitable? Does that change if I am a reluctant participant because my boss expects me to do this as "teambuilding"?
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Now even if your analogy ....
Don't worry too much about him Polwart, he's been seeing an Analogist about it since the Holeistic Therapy failed.
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Old 15 September 2010, 13:42   #17
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I've seen RNLI crew, which is presumably your "gold standard for 'professional' seamanship" ..
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Don't worry too much about him Polwart, he's been seeing an Analogist about it since the Holeistic Therapy failed.
If Polwart fell off the horse and was wearing his lifejacket. Could he activate it in time before hitting the floor? Would the epirb then work on land? Would the horse come round and stamp on him, or is there a kill cord that could be rigged up? (sponsored by UHU) I'm very confused.

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I thought richierich was a member recently with some legal interests ?
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I am not surprised something like this has happened to them with the quality of driving I saw from them that day it was reckless !! I will be writing to the MCA and RYA to voice my concerns.

How about being fair and writing to the company involved first and making any concerns known? Then decide what to do when you get a response.

Let's face it watching something from the shore isn't exactly the same as partaking in the activity. For example sometimes high speed turns can look very dramatic from the shore especially when you see the underside of the hull exposed on one side as the boat turns, but are perfectly under control for the passengers.

High speed turns and fast driving are what some operators do, passengers that come on board would know in advance that that is what will happen. High speeds on RIBS can be done safely and so can high speed turns. We all know the dangers of "jerking" or "throwing" the wheel round, but a gentle hand and smooth progressive turn of the wheel can make a boat turn fairly quickly which can look pretty dramatic for people watching from the shore but make it fairly easy for passengers to hold on and stay in the boat.


However I totally agree that crew sitting around smoking or hanging about like a "gang" doesn't look professional I hate that kind of thing.
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