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Old 18 August 2003, 13:08   #41
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Sour grapes again ?

Bear Grylis is no liar as far as I am concerned.

I find it upsetting the way you are treating him and his crew over this fine achievment,but there again we all decide what we want to beleve.

He is not what you are all trying to make him out to be,in my oppinion.

It costs real money to defend yourself and unless you can prove a significant losses, the Barristers are the only ones who make any real money,on people trying to defend there reputation. So not many can afford to fight there corner through the courts,So good people wrongfully get bad reputations based on hearsay.

When faced with this situation I would hope if I were Bear and crew that right and wrong would prevail.

He has acieved what most will only dream of.

I beleive he will also acheve even more over the yrs.

4 guys risked it for a biscuit and pulled it off,at times it seemed it was touch and go,but like it or lump it they did it !and all the mutterings in the world aint going to change things.

Tuff S**T
Fastest and first open rib to cross the Atlantic withought any outside assistance by his Northern route.

Well done boys

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Old 18 August 2003, 13:19   #42
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John I think you need to read a bit more detail and see what everyone is talking about as they are not disputing the fact that they did it but what they have said about the past present and future. Its the facts that are altered not the achievement.
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Ok Depsol lets have a close look at what he has said ?and was it realy misleading or not?.

First whats the realy bad stuff he has said about the past ?

We can move on to the present and the orfully bad things about the future when we have bottomed this past thing.I have no allegancies to Bear or Alan and in Alans case he has the title for the first and fastest Cabin rib crossing unasisted of this northerly route.But what i cant get my head around is the realy bad stuff he has suposedly said in the past ?What is it,Have I missed something?

If Anybody can enlighten me just about the past things then I may understand things a little better.

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Old 18 August 2003, 15:38   #45
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It's got absolutely bugger all to do with sour grapes. I've said before, good one Bear for giving this a go, but that doesn't mean his unfair comments should be excused. And as previously said, he hasn't done it unassisted, as they've made fuel stops. He's also not the first to do it assisted, or the first to do it in an open RIB. So, his claims of "first" "unassisted" and "open" are lies. Unless he's actually working off his OWN set of rules, as it's not a valid recognised record anyway due to the route, in which case I reckon he could be classed as the first person of his exact weight, height, build, hair colour or mental state to do it. So, are we to see a new annual book published within the near future, the Bear Grylls Book of World Records?

Going off the official rules, the attempt in 97 would still have been classed as succesful, Bear has been saying it wasn't. He seems to be highly skillful at being economical with the truth, and in this arena, that isn't acceptable. Achieving something amazing like this crossing does not excuse that.
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Old 18 August 2003, 16:04   #46
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Ok Depsol lets have a close look at what he has said ?
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Oi whats this Depsol stuff ...Crazyhorse?

John, really my point is similar to what 'narked' has said and if you look at Bears site he has today retracted some of what he said previously. That to me says he has seen what he has said was wrong changed it and in doing so admitted guilt.

I am just saying he has made a fantastic achievment but why sing his own praises with exagerations because if you then have to retract them it looks worse from the public eye.

Am I right or am I right?

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Old 18 August 2003, 16:15   #47
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EE Naked,


1x Unassisted in my book means planned and organised fuel stops ?

Unassisted does not mean getting or accepting a crane lift up onto the deck from an Ice breaker and arriving into port supported by the ice breaker and its crew with the boat lashed onto the deck.

2x He's also not the first to do it assisted (Quote Narked) Yep Agree

3x Or the first to do it in an open RIB (quote Narked ) Ok who did an unassisted planned crossing bye this route before hand then ?.

4x So, his claims of "first" "unassisted" and "open" are lies (quote Narked ) He required no assistance exept for fuel,Which as I have stated in my book is unassisted. The RIB is a open boat with no shelter from the elemants like Alans boat.

5 xUnless he's actually working off his OWN set of rules, as it's not a valid recognised record anyway (Quote Narked) Unfortunatly both teams records are not certified or recognised as records by the UIM and never have been.Including the last ones. So in theory neither have records for this trip as they are not govend by any recognised authority or set of agreed rules,exept those we decide to make up as we go along.?

6 X Going off the official rules (Quote Narked) There arnt any in existance my son unless you can tell us where they are and who holds the keys.?

7 x He seems to be highly skillful at being economical with the truth.(Quote Narked)

Where has he lied ?
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Wrong Dom.

I think I now why he altered his text on the report,it was nothng to do with his claims,

It was to do with off the cuff recomending of a product that he thought was brill.

In all fairness he sorted it straight away,To be fair,If every alteration to a text is regarded as an indication of lies than we are all guilty as the next man.
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"There arnt any in existance my son unless you can tell us where they are and who holds the keys.?"

If that's the case, Alan could have done it being towed by Concorde and claimed it. From what I know, although not using an officially recognised route, Alan and the team did everything else by the official rules. Those rules permitted them to be given a lift back to land, providing before setting off on the rest of the journey they returned to the exact point from which they were given assistance, which they did. Those same rules also state than an unassisted attempt is no longer unassisted if fuel stops are made. So, Bear did an ASSISTED crossing, which Alan and his team did in 97, which regardless of the help they recieved, was still a valid attempt apart from the unrecognised route. So, Bear wasn't the first to do it assisted, nor has he done it unassisted.

Although I was going to say I'm not taking sides here, when I think about it, I am. Alan and his crew deserve the recognition for what they did, and I'll support them with that. Bear does not have the right to hand half truths to news agencies everywhere making it seem like he's the first when he isn't. Yes, it was a great achievement, but lying to make it seem more impressive is a load of bollocks, if you'll pardon my language. Ok, so he may have been the first to do it without having to get helped out of a problem, but again, the rules Alan was working off, and the rules that Bear would have been tied to had he taken an official route, allow that. And it doesn't make one bit of difference what rules Bear was working off, as Alan completed the crossing without breaking the rules HE was working off, and so it cannot be called a failed attempt.
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Wrong Dom.

I think I now why he altered his text on the report,it was nothng to do with his claims,


In all fairness he sorted it straight away,To be fair,If every alteration to a text is regarded as an indication of lies than we are all guilty as the next man.
Not really John the difference between amendment and retraction is a big gap.

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