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Old 27 October 2005, 02:18   #21
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By the way - remind me of the heroic Belgian and French stand in 1939... or was it less of a stand and more of a lie down and take it?

Neither- more a run, skip and jump!!!!!!!!!!

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Old 27 October 2005, 02:27   #22
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Been out of the UK for 40 years just about sums it up.....

I know Codders-- but what a fanatstic 40 years!!!!!
Was back in Dover on Tuesday...... Wont say anymore.. might upset a few
little islanders-- and you could not hope to meet anybody more patriotic than me

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Old 27 October 2005, 03:42   #23
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. Japanese stereo,TV and computer. German drill, sander and router in my toolshed. ......German touring motorcycle
You might want to check the "made in" label on some of those japanese products more carefully.... and what model "German touring Motorcycle" do you own? That's far more interesting than boaty talk....
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I see so if a member of the public phones in with something it MUST be true???

At the end of the day those two policemen KILLED an innocent man - it was THEY who pulled the triggers - THEY were to blame!!! Not a lack of training or anything else!!!

Obviously I don't think they intended to kill an innocent man - they made a mistake - an accident - there IS a term used for that - it's called manslaughter!!!

Similar case with that so called terrorist killed on the tube - the bloke running away with the bulk jacket who must have been a suicide bomber!!!

Isn't it strange that since they have banned handguns there are more and more Police carrying firearms?

Since 1982 there have been 4 Police officers killed by guns in the UK - do those figures REALLY warrent more and more of them carrying guns???
There speaks a man who has never faced a gun in a shopping bag. Plastic shopping bags are a common way to carry and/or conceal a gun for several reasons. Firstly they can be fired with the hand outside the bag thus not transferring the kind of forensic evidence required for a gun crime conviction. Secondly the bag will catch an ejected cartridge, again denying forensic examination and a link to a specific firearm. Thirdly, most people wouldn't react if a Tesco shopping bag was waved at them - seeing no threat. The police know this well. Another thing to consider Codders, is that gun crime in the UK has reached epidemic proportions. There are literally thousands of gun incidents in every major city. It largely goes unreported because the incidents are mainly black on black and the media are not interested in reporting this. I would ask you to consider what is is like to be either threatened with a firearm in a place you would consider yourself safe and in control and being actually shot by a firearm in similar circumstances (I have unfortunate experiences with both scenarios by the way) and then pause for a moment and think what it would be like to face this threat day after day as many of our Police Officers do.

Lastly, the case you are referring to is a classic case of 'Suicide by Cop' a well known phemonena in the USA and sadly on the increase here.
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Old 27 October 2005, 08:31   #25
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Having lived in Beirut amongst other places I have faced a few more nasties than just guns - we actually had wire mesh on the windows to stop hand granades!!!

The massive increases in firearms use is MAINLY down to the way it is reported - these days any call involving an airgun or even a waterpistol is regarded as a "firearms incident"!!!

What would YOU think if you saw a 7 yr old boy waving a gun around in the back of a car coming out of a Tesco car park? Personally I would think - "look at that kid with his toy gun" - believe it or not someone was stupid enough to report seeing a boy with a gun and the police surrounded the car with an armed response team!!!

Things like this happen ALL the time these days - even kids with waterpistols are chased by armed police!!!

Some Home Office figures:

"firearms are used in a very small proportion of all recorded crimes (0.17%)"

"Nearly two-thirds of non-air weapon firearm offences occur in just three police force areas Metropolitan, Greater Manchester and West Midlands."

Deaths from firearms in the Uk account for about 77 deaths per year.

And yet despite this we see more and more Police carrying guns - and not just any old guns either - in Bristol Police have been carrying Steyer AUG assault rifles because the MP5 isn't powerfull enough!!! This is crazy - it is a military weapon - even the USA and South African police don't carry these openly on the streets!!!

I have now seen armed Police officers strutting around with guns on their hips in our local Tesco - in Swansea!!! What a joke!!! When they were called to a fight in a local night club they refused to go in in case someone nicked their guns!!!

As I said earlier - 4 Police officers shot in the UK in the last 30 years - how long will it be before someone grabs a gun off them if they are carrying them around so openly???
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Old 27 October 2005, 08:45   #26
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"Plastic shopping bags are a common way to carry and/or conceal a gun for several reasons. Firstly they can be fired with the hand outside the bag thus not transferring the kind of forensic evidence required for a gun crime conviction. Secondly the bag will catch an ejected cartridge, again denying forensic examination and a link to a specific firearm. Thirdly, most people wouldn't react if a Tesco shopping bag was waved at them - seeing no threat. The police know this well."

Are you seriously suggesting its OK to summarily shoot and kill someone for possession of a Tesco's bag?

You're madder than Codders!!!
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Old 27 October 2005, 08:50   #27
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"Plastic shopping bags are a common way to carry and/or conceal a gun for several reasons. Firstly they can be fired with the hand outside the bag thus not transferring the kind of forensic evidence required for a gun crime conviction. Secondly the bag will catch an ejected cartridge, again denying forensic examination and a link to a specific firearm. Thirdly, most people wouldn't react if a Tesco shopping bag was waved at them - seeing no threat. The police know this well."

Are you seriously suggesting its OK to summarily shoot and kill someone for possession of a Tesco's bag?

You're madder than Codders!!!
Hey hang on a minute - I am the maddest bloke in the village!!!

Seriously though you one sentence sums it up perfectly!!!
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Old 27 October 2005, 09:05   #28
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Are you seriously suggesting its OK to summarily shoot and kill someone for possession of a Tesco's bag?
Stick to shopping in Sainsburys sounds like a good plan to me.
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Old 27 October 2005, 09:37   #29
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Come on Roy pics of the Rib PLEASE???????
We are now day+1... dont tell us that you did'nt get it??

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Old 27 October 2005, 09:40   #30
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Come on Roy pics of the Rib PLEASE???????
We are now day+1... dont tell us that you did'nt get it??

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