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Old 26 April 2013, 08:01   #121
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*After the incident the crew said that they regretted wearing orange tinted sunglasses

(* = Not strictly true)
ROFL..... Again :-)

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Make no wonder there's some groups out there wanting some sort of compulsory qualifications or basic boat driving licence for Any boat users ; )
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Make no wonder there's some individuals & groups out there wanting some sort of basic compulsory qualifications or boat driving licence for All boat users ; )
Don't see how that would have made any difference... Apparently this chap was about as qualified as your going to get

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It will be an interesting case, if he does not change his plea on the court day.

The video evidence with the harbour patrol boat out front, the audio warning signals given, sailing in a restricted area that is listed( and shown of charts given to crews) on all Cowes Race day documents to remain vigilant and to keep out of the way of large vessels, failing to avoid a collision , failing to keep watch, endangering the crews life will all come out at court.

It still chills me to watch the video and aftermath and am very pleased everyone is about to tell the court what really happened. I am sure there will be a defence given but will it be believed is another issue and what the jury will listen to. It will be interesting if they ask jury members if they have seen the video before signing them up and also if they sail etc, as if this is in Southampton Crown Court a large number of people will know(or think they know) the rules of sailing etc. Still people think sail as right of way at all times!!
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In this country we have a right to express opinion. I'm with Nos....guilty...just watch the bloody film!!!!
He's still not guilty until a court decides so. The Crown have the burden of proof.

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I think the issue here is that he broke the rules (which we all have done, who hasn't exceeded a speed limit or parked for too long in a parking space), got caught red handed, and is now trying to worm his way out of it by pleading not guilty.
Well, its the right of citizens in a civilised society to "put the crown to the test". Depending on who the Crown witnesses are, getting hold of some of them at a trial could be challenging (e.g. the ships crew - who will probably be at sea, and may well be foreign) and he might fancy his chances at their being insufficient admissible evidence?

Plenty of people do the "same" by trying to 'wheedle' out of speed camera charges etc every day. Just because this is high profile doesn't make it any different.

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He cocked up and should stand up and take his penalty even if it was a one off. Pleading not guilty faced with that evidence points to him being a muppet!
Or possibly acting on the advice of his lawyer. If there are technical issues/uncertainties with some of the charges it is not uncommon to initially plead not guilty, and then negotiate a plea with the CPS perhaps guilty to one of the charges and not to the others.

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It will be an interesting case, if he does not change his plea on the court day .... I am sure there will be a defence given but will it be believed is another issue and what the jury will listen to. It will be interesting if they ask jury members if they have seen the video before signing them up and also if they sail etc, as if this is in Southampton Crown Court a large number of people will know(or think they know) the rules of sailing etc. Still people think sail as right of way at all times!!
BBC article seemed to imply it was at the Magistrates Court.

If found guilty after trial he can expect a 30% higher sentence than pleading at the earliest opportunity - so assuming he has sought legal advice, and knowing that the fines are quite significant for marine offences anyway you might assume that he is either hoping to make a point, or has reason to believe he may get off with at least some of the charges.
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Poly- if it goes to Magistrates then, what is a max fine etc for this or could Magistrates decide they want the Crown Court to sentence if found guilty?
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Don't see how that would have made any difference... Apparently this chap was about as qualified as your going to get

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The chap in question is a friend of a friend. I've met him a couple of times. He's not a numpty, and I very much suspect this was all a result of him getting too much "into the zone" and genuinely thinking he could beat that tanker (if very close) in order to do well in the race.
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He's not a numpty

I can show you a video that says otherwise
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