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Old 14 April 2005, 04:05   #51
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There is a much cheaper, more effective and absolutely safe way to combat all of the above problems. It's not painful, it doesn't cost anything and everyone...and I do mean everyone.... on the planet can both contribute and benefit. I notice that no-one has the balls to mention it though... especially politicians.... any one guessed it yet?
How about this then? Vote for Jono at the election and I will introduce a policy so basic, so simple and yet so effective that I will surely be cannonised...

..and just in case anyone thinks I am biased, I will declare that I rely on the oil industry for my living, but would give it up today if my policy became law....
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Old 14 April 2005, 05:16   #52
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How about, walking to work, catching public transport, switching off electrical items on the dreaded 'standby' etc.

Oh of course, convert your vehicles to run on LPG.

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Old 14 April 2005, 05:38   #53
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Nuke waste can be dealt with WHEN we develop proper fusion reactors which shouldn't bee too much longer.
The parameters for a controlled fusion reaction are so tight, there is absolutely no way that heavy isotope byproducts will be disposed of in the fusion reactor, unless you can find my a technical paper to the contrary. The only option is to keep storing the fission waste. I suppose you could launch it into space and fire it at the sun.

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Actually oil and gas stocks ARE being replenished - many wells that were dry are filling back up as more oil leaches into them.
Incorrect again. The stocks are not replenishing, the oil is already there in the ground, it's just filtering up to the wellheads through the porous rock. There is no new oil being made, at least on any timescale that is relevant to humanity.


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You are right in that we "just know of more" reserves but as the price goes up more and more comes to light.
As the sustainable cost of oil goes up, it becomes cost effective to utilise more difficult and innaccesible oil fields. There's a big oil field west of shetland that is so far untapped, but it's in such deep water that it's very expensive to utilise. Once the sustainable cost exceeds $30 per barrel, that field will be tapped. I know it's $50 at the moment, but that's not considered a sustainable price for now.

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As to that website that is my WHOLE point - Nuclear power needs to be used properly - NOT by 3rd world countries.
France was exploding nuclear warheads in the pacific until 1988. The US conducted their last test in 1993 and the last air test was conducted by china in 1980. Appriximately 438 megatons of nuclear warheads have been exploded in the atmosphere. I spose you might consider 1980 china 3rd world, but have you forgotten that the ussr was a world superpower not long ago?

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Germany and Sweden were so shocked by Chernobyl they banned all nuke power - they buy huge amounts of gas from russia to make elecetricity - and what do Russia do with the money? Build more Nuke power plants like Chernobyl.
The chernobyl reactor was a flawed design, the remaining reactors in chernobyl were shut down in 2000 and remaining RBMK (The chernobyl design) reactors have all been modified. Germany and Sweden are slowly phasing out their existing fission reactors, but they are still running and producing power at this time.
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Nah, hydrogen. Create electrical power from your favourite environmental friendly power source, electrolyse water to create hydrogen and oxygen, and burn them again in yer engine to provide motive power with water vapour being the only emission.

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.....with water vapour being the only emission.
We've got enuff clouds 'n rain already, thank you.
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Nah, hydrogen. Create electrical power from your favourite environmental friendly power source, electrolyse water to create hydrogen and oxygen, and burn them again in yer engine to provide motive power with water vapour being the only emission.
can you imagin the queues in the fuelling stations. It's a bit cold that stuff if I recall it needs a robotic filling system.
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How about, walking to work, catching public transport, switching off electrical items on the dreaded 'standby' etc.

Oh of course, convert your vehicles to run on LPG.

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Nope... something much more basic than that and applies to all those who aren't fortunate to either run vehicles or have a place of work, or even have an electricity supply....... much, much simpler and as i said in my previous post... everyone can do their bit and save Earth...
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We've got enuff clouds 'n rain already, thank you.
aaah... the price you pay for living "North of the border"....
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can you imagin the queues in the fuelling stations. It's a bit cold that stuff if I recall it needs a robotic filling system.
Wouldn't be any worse than filling up with LPG - in fact BP already operate a few hydrogen filling stations!!! Wouldn't be any more dangerous either. In fact spilled hydrogen would just vanish into thin air - not like petrol in the bilges.....

It makes far more sense to me to operate hydrogen in a conventional internal combustion engine than muck around with fuel cells in electric cars - after all internal combustion engines have been around for over 100 years and have had quite a bit of development.

Also burning hydrogen means NO CO2!!! See it would be possible to run 2x 250hp Fichts AND be good to the environment!!!
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More intelligent than your average petrol station attendant then!

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