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Old 22 May 2007, 06:56   #11
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What about exposure over time? Could the effects of prolonged low level exposure be cumulative?
Of course anything could be but the natural background radiation in your area could be a 1000 times worse. Have you ever had it checked???
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Old 22 May 2007, 07:50   #12
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I watched the program. Another out of many designed to raise the anxiety level of the population and undermine the values of science and progress. Emotive words like 'radiation' are used without explanation. I wonder how many people realise there's a difference between the ionising radiation from nuclear explosions, Chernobyl, radiotherapy units, etc. and the electromagnetic radiation from masts and phones? I guess many people watching such programs don't, and I'm sure that's intended.

I wonder what would happen today if electricity had just been discovered. Pipe it into everyone's homes? Far too dangerous - don't you realise that just one touch can incapacitate and perhaps even kill. And what of the long term effects, especially on our children? Ban it until there's evidence to prove it's not harmful to them.

As for the world's biggest killer, a fact kept secret by governments for years - Dihydrogen Monoxide. One breath can kill you, yet no one is studying its harmful effects. That such a hazardous substance is allowed by government to saturate our daily lives is a disgrace. As for its long term effects on the development of our children? Well, I doubt that anyone in government is prepared to speak in public about it.

As for Wi-Fi. Some 'children' I have known would have benefitted immensely from a bit of brain boiling.
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Background natural radiation can be much worse than the man made stuff!!!

Agreed! But any radiation is bad for you in everyday life, isn't it?
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As for the world's biggest killer, a fact kept secret by governments for years - Dihydrogen Monoxide. One breath can kill you, yet no one is studying its harmful effects. That such a hazardous substance is allowed by government to saturate our daily lives is a disgrace. As for its long term effects on the development of our children? Well, I doubt that anyone in government is prepared to speak in public about it.
It's not that no one is studying the effects; they are already well documented.

It's an issue I raised a while back. As RIB users we are often exposed to DHMO in much higher concentrations than the general public and we should be very aware of the dangers.

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Of course anything could be but the natural background radiation in your area could be a 1000 times worse. Have you ever had it checked???
Not where I am now, no ... we did have a play with a Geiger Counter at the outlaws place a while back .... their homegrown cauliflower appeared to be a particular hotspot?!
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Time to put it in perspective. Do you know anyone personally who has become ill or died as a direct (or even suspected) result of using Wifi, Mobile phone, etc?

Now do you know anyone who has died or been seriously injured: in a car, walking down the street, from alchohol (either long term or whilst pissed), from passive smoking, from a boating related accident, whilst at work, whilst up a ladder... ...probably best to lock yourself away... ...or you could get on with life and stop worrying.
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I was under the impression that cordless phones worked on the same frequency as wifi, no one seems bothered about that.
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Time to put it in perspective. Do you know anyone personally who has become ill or died as a direct (or even suspected) result of using Wifi, Mobile phone, etc?

Now do you know anyone who has died or been seriously injured: in a car, walking down the street, from alchohol (either long term or whilst pissed), from passive smoking, from a boating related accident, whilst at work, whilst up a ladder... ...probably best to lock yourself away... ...or you could get on with life and stop worrying.
I'm not especially concerned about this over and above any other number of risks ... would just like to know the facts.
I've got wi-fi here, (I can detech 5 other wi-fi networks in this immediate area also), and I use mobile/cordless devices every day.

Research, in most fields, appears to have happy knack of being somewhat biased in volume in favour of large multinational companies, who often have a vested interest in the subject being researched.
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much less than your mobile phone right by your head.
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There was a big fuss here when mobile phones were first introduced about 2 years ago, because one of the masts was right next to a kiddies playground and all the antis got tuned up to full blast about barbecued babies and all sorts of crap. The planning permission process went around the houses a bit but eventually they came back with a bit of science on it which is that the safe level for PERMANENT exposure of a human to the radiation was about 18 inches from the antenna - which was on top of a 100ft mast. That was a base station not a phone, transmitting all the time not a quick squirt every few minutes to tell the network where it is.

HSE regs these days are getting daft. Though I admit I don't leave my phone in my pocket if it can be sitting on the desk a bit further away from "those"
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