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Old 15 March 2006, 16:01   #81
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i was under the assumption 12 miles out you could set up auto traps on your bow, and have a whale of a time from your boat.

do not think sea gull bashing is legal tho even if they are vermin
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In Northern Ireland they had a ban on ALL guns - didn't seem to stop the IRA did it?
Are you sure?

NI's legislation is different from the rest of the UK (e.g. no ban on handguns). But firearms are certainly permitted (with the appropriate license) under the current (2004) legislation. And I think it has been generally acceptable to own most weapons in all previous legislation enacted in the 20th century.
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Are you sure?

NI's legislation is different from the rest of the UK (e.g. no ban on handguns). But firearms are certainly permitted (with the appropriate license) under the current (2004) legislation. And I think it has been generally acceptable to own most weapons in all previous legislation enacted in the 20th century.
My memory is definitely rusty - you must be right as I remember seeing that airguns had to have a firearms certificate many years ago - therefore guns can't have been banned or there would have been no certificate!!!
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If you beat someone with a cricket bat, you going to ban them?
Well that would effectively ban cricket - which can surely only be a good thing... ...I wonder if the government publishes the statistics for number of cricket related deaths (presumably mostly through boredom!).
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My memory is definitely rusty - you must be right as I remember seeing that airguns had to have a firearms certificate many years ago - therefore guns can't have been banned or there would have been no certificate!!!
Yeah, I think there airguns regulations are more restrictive (but not a ban) compared to rest of UK.
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I remember the wholly justified public furore that followed the arming of plod at Heathrow several years ago.
Not only public, a very good friend (my best man) was one of the first 6 Police Officers stationed at Gatwick who were armed in the early/mid 70's. He and at least one of the others resigned from the Police because of it.
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Not only public, a very good friend (my best man) was one of the first 6 Police Officers stationed at Gatwick who were armed in the early/mid 70's. He and at least one of the others resigned from the Police because of it.
A copper with principles - good for them!!!
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I hold a FAC and have done so for many years. “Pre Dunblane” I owned handguns, rifles and shotguns. I used to reload all my own ammunition and would happily spend hours tinkering with ballistics to try and match the perfect load for a particular gun. I can understand that people don’t like the idea of “civilians” owning guns, based on what they see on television. However there is a world of difference between guns used for target shooting, be it paper targets at 25 metre for a pistol or 1,000 yds for a bench rest rifle and those that used to be used for disciplines like practical pistol, where the pistols were developments (very expensive developments ) of standard police or services issue. Now, in the “Post Dunblane” era, I may not own a single shot .22 target pistol. Bearing in mind that these have the muzzle energy of not much more than a pea shooter, yet I can still possess a .44 calibre carbine, a 12 gauge shotgun or a military calibre rifle, all of which have massive muzzle energy capacity. Do those people who clamour “pistols are only made for killing people” have any understanding of this at all? I think not.
The “gun culture” that undoubtedly exists and is growing in this country, despite what statistics have been quoted here, fuelled by popular culture. How many of the young (or even not-so-young )kids, who find guns cool, because a music idol sings about them or is seen to carry them, or in the case of that arsewipe, 50-cents, has even been shot, actually have any comprehension of the damage that a bullet can do?
The man beaten about the head, who doesn’t get up as in the films, but spends the rest of his life having to wear nappies because he is incontinent. The youngster who is shot in the leg with a cheap eastern block pistol who doesn’t just suffer a slight limp, but who has to have his leg amputated and remains dependant on his parents for the rest of his life. What about showing the operation to replace a man’s face and scalp after he’s been hit with a broken glass?

Get rid of the glamorisation, the myths and the “coolness” of violence in any form and replace it with education about the real effects.

Don’t get sucked into the argument that banning the possession of handguns, especially those specifically built for target shooting, has had any effect on gun crime.

As an aside…

I do feel that “Pre Dunblane” the licensing authorities were getting a little lax. I had, at one time, four large calibre hand guns in my safe. Now that was an awful lot of “fire power”. At the time I was shooting .22 target league, full bore pistol league, practical pistol and had just started to shoot handgun out to 100 metres. Now that’s a discipline that required an awful lot of skill (No, I wasn’t very good ). If the powers that be had restricted FAC holders to one small bore and one full bore I don’t think there would have ever been an issue. However the draconian ban (Knee jerk.. call it what you will) has caused an awful lot of ill feeling, especially in light of the report and enquiries which revealed that Hamilton should never have been “renewed” under existing Police worries about him.

Have I wandered off topic?.....again?

<edit> I confess I didn't bother watching the video clip until now, having seen that sort of thing before, on film and live. However, I can see what some might think..... it is rather "Gung-ho" isn't it ? What I want to know from our ‘Merkin cousins, is the legality of converting pistols to full auto? I thought that was banned, pretty much everywhere. There is a small bit in the clip with a bloke firing two pistols with extended magazines. Are they available or have they been converted from semi auto to full auto (modified sear?). Legal or not?
I believe the law as it currently stands in the U.S. is no further manufacture of full auto weapons as of 1986. Consequently there are only so many available. You must have a license to own (tax stamp) for a full auto gun and you cannot "convert" a semi auto, you must buy a registered weapon and the BATF has record of you as the owner. Any non registered gun is breaking the law, which will cause you to lose your right to own firearms in the U.S. as any convicted felon cannot legally posess a firearm. Hi capacity magazines are legal, and available.
I must comment that the vast majority of firearms owners in the U.S. do not own full auto weapons, as a guess it may be equivalent to amount of people who own their own planes, a small, small percentage of society.
Society does not have to fear firearms ownership by citizen's, it needs to fear destruction of the moral fabric our civilization is based on, maintaining that is the key. If you have the values.... all is good.
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........Look, I don't want to insult anyone, but the reason blokes are into guns is that it makes them feel 'big in the pants'. It gives them kicks. ......
But to be honest this is true of a lot of things just because it isn’t your ‘ego massager’ does it make it any less valid Des
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Guns and People

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I own a few guns, and I don't mind others owning them. In fact, I own a .45 semi-automatic hand gun, yes, it was a round designed for killing people. Do I kill people with it? No! I pack it while hunting and hiking so that I can either finalize a kill or defend myself or others against a bear attack. People will kill people, it doesn't matter what they use, it's going to happen. It's been happening long before god was invented, it just got worse at that point. I should be able to own guns just as you should be able to own a car, it's my right. Don't tell people how to live, don't let people tell you how to live. Mind your own business and don't negatively affect others around you, that's my ideal life. If someone robs me, I hope I have my gun at hand so that they cannot rob another. If someone comes into my house while I am not home, I hope my wife can use my gun to defend herself from rape, and prevent another from the same fate. If you don't like my ideals that's fine by me, we can agree to disagree. Just don't tell me how I should live, I wouldn't tell you that it's wrong for you not to own a gun, why should you tell me it's wrong to own one?
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