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Old 12 March 2006, 05:28   #31
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Originally Posted by Andy Moore
Rubbish. Specialist Firearms Units carry guns, not regular Police Officers.
So it's usual for specialist firearms units to patrol shopping areas carrying HK's?

Go to Manchester centre or central London and see for yourself.
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Old 12 March 2006, 09:46   #32
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Originally Posted by pathalla
Well... one good thing may come of it, no one is going to steal her boat!
Not surprised, their not gonna get very far with no toobs..

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Old 12 March 2006, 10:19   #33
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re: boat theft

That's why they're up there, tubes were pinched!
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Old 12 March 2006, 12:02   #34
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Originally Posted by Alice
That is such a weak argument it's not worthy of a reply.

Wasn't an argument... just pointing out that people who have no understanding of firearms tend to adopt "slogans".... seen the news today? Manchester shootings?

I always argued that pistols for target shooting are not the same as the pistols used in gun crime. What was the issue against keeping them at an approved range? Single shot .22's or even semi auto .22 shorts categorised the same as .40 semi autos or .44 mag revolvers ?

.... but then legislation is often drafted by people with no understanding...
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Old 12 March 2006, 12:52   #35
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Thought I would drop my ten cents in as I have lived on both sides of the pond and think I have a little experience in this.
Back in living in the Midlands days, I had a keen interest in guns after being brought up on BB and air rifles.(Still have my webley junior pistol today! ).But trying to follow that interest was very difficult.In the end joined a local range (Wednesbury Marksmen ) and learned the basics and safety of handguns there. Was just so restrictive though that took a lot of the enjoyment out of it. Rules of ownership of your own weapons /ammo was just ludicrous.
On moving to the States I saw the other side of the fence. You could go to your local Kmart and buy rifles and shotguns. (little more restrictive on handguns).
Over the last ten years I have seen all sorts of legislation brought in to try and curb the illegal use of guns.Biggest issue I can see is ,they all target the legal,honest user. The criminal faction dont and wont abide by these rules anyway. So what you get is a one sides situation where only the "bad guys "have the guns Unfortunately is only the "gun nuttters" and extremists that get the press and give the rest of the gun community a bad name.
My two young boys show a keen interest in many field sports and I encourage that fact. We recently went to an organised event for junior shooters that was a great family day. In a very structured and well run event, they taught, archery,.22 rifle, blackpowder rifle,as well as tomahawk throwing and fire starting crafts.
I was very proud that my one son was youngest there to win a medal for the black powder silouhette shooting event.
So are we all nutters and wierdos for enjoying guns
Just like any other education for your kids;it's much better being shown the correct way instead of being drawn into it on the streets.My kids have a great respect for firearms ,but that doesn't mean they cant also have fun with them.
As for the young girl with the fully auto machine gun;a little extreme for my own views, but not for me to dictate my opinions on others(that should be saved just for the Dads anyhow
So no easy answer on the gun issue. Just need more educated and informed people before they start jumping on the anti-gun bandwagon.

cheers dal
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Old 12 March 2006, 15:46   #36
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Good to see you bringing up your children to respect firearms. I teach my daughter the same, absolutely positively respect firearms! Target shooting is great recreation, properly instructed I believe children are better prepared and educated for today's world. My daughter is taught to have respect for all living things and to admire the beauty and miracle of life on this planet. Unfortunately there seems to be a lot of killing going on worldwide due to politics and greed, I am afraid that our children are so exposed to this they will become numb to it, due to news exposure, media. This is a bad bad thing.
It seems to me if you put average people with average people, be they from anywhere, they find a way to get along. Inject politics, business, everything changes. Governments over the ages have accounted for untold loss of life, that trend continues... I know many people here wonder why in the hell OUR military has been all over the globe since Vietnam... killing people and blowing things up is good for business... you need to fix what has been destroyed sell weapons etc.. We humans still have one leg up in the tree in my opinion.
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Old 12 March 2006, 16:49   #37
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Originally Posted by codprawn
Anyone noticed how guncrime has increased since Britain became the only country in the World to have a total ban on handguns?
Gun crime in the UK is getting out of control. Daily we read of news of shootings by the criminal element. The do gooders that banned hand guns should have spent our money, and their effort, taking stock of what is happening on our streets. Our UK government should STOP massaging the crime figures to appease their egos, and enhance their re election chances. Removing hand guns from private ownership has done NOTHING to eliminate that type of crime.
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Originally Posted by Andy Moore
All rather worrying.

Would be nice to put a few Chavs on the Range.

Also, Your local British Farmer wouldn't let you anywhere near his land but he'd want your subsidies and you to buy his produce at the local market at an inflated price.

Come the day of the revolution the farmers will be first against the wall followed by the Chavs.

Rule Brittania.................
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Old 12 March 2006, 17:23   #39
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Originally Posted by Andy Moore
Rubbish. Specialist Firearms Units carry guns, not regular Police Officers.
I have seen armed officers strutting the streets of Swansea with pistols on their hips - have even seen them in our local Tesco doing their shopping!!!

I asked a few coppers what they thought of it and they were all totally against it. Apparently one night there was a disturbance in a local nightclub and the 2 armed officers couldn't go in just in case someone knicked their guns!!!

In swansea it is down to the Chief constable - Barbara Wilding. Apparently it sends out a "positive" message!!!

I couldn't believe it when I heard on the news the other night who instigated this shoot to kill policy - guess who - yup Ms Wilding!!!
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Originally Posted by limeydal
they taught, archery,.22 rifle, blackpowder rifle,as well as tomahawk throwing and fire starting crafts.
orl de likkul bastuds rownd heer cann doo orl dat shitt bi de tyme thay arr fyve yeers owld.

de likkul cherrubs sett fyre too de sinamer wen thay wazunt alowd inn too sea rezervoirr doggs.

de plaice birnt too de fkin grownd cuz de fyrefyters woz riduld wiv arrers an ad tommahorks stikkin owt ov ther heds

wen de polis tirned upp thay woz repeld wiv wel tymed vollies ov muskitry fromm ome maid gunns fild wiv fyrewerk gunnpowdir

edyewcashun iz a wunderful fing.

luk arfter numbir wan, downt stepp inn numbir too
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