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Old 20 January 2012, 10:26   #41
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Two things go through my mind.
1. If it keeps moving why haven't they chained it to the rocks
2. The Dutch who know about salvage could be on the boat getting the fuel off at the same time

A good salvage team could have gone through that boat by now and it will need to be secure anyway for pumping out all that fuel as it will alter the weight

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Old 20 January 2012, 10:26   #42
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Was an interesting discussion on Radio 2 yesterday about this & how the captain ( rightly or wrongly) is having trail by media & was getting the full blame from the CG even while he was in a lifeboat.

An interesting ( for me) comaprison was made to airline accidents where its not about ' blame' but understanding reasons and avoiding it again and how on a very complex bit of kit its near impossible for one person to be 100% responsible. As there are, in this case, lots of other bridge crew who have a responsibility to constantly question & challenge actions and decisions it does seem odd that this guy is 'guilty' already.

Dont get me wrong it may well be down to him, but again it may not....
And I agree strongly, but even now in some countries blame is levelled in aviation incidents before the investigation(not right but happens).
My intererest/concern is that given what we "know" about modern ship design and the incident details, no-one should have been lost (unless of course in the immediate area of the flooding at the time) and ultimately, the ship should not have attempted to turned turtle.
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Old 20 January 2012, 10:35   #43
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Two things go through my mind.
1. If it keeps moving why haven't they chained it to the rocks
2. The Dutch who know about salvage could be on the boat getting the fuel off at the same time

A good salvage team could have gone through that boat by now and it will need to be secure anyway for pumping out all that fuel as it will alter the weight

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I wonder if the delay is they are into the discussion of salvage or scrap it & who will pay for it all.

I'd love to see the underwater topography of the ledge its on. I agree to secure it properly would be the simplest/safest thing.
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Old 20 January 2012, 11:11   #44
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Better to pump all that diesel out than clean it up. You might be right about the money. But the Dutch salvage team are already there. The local army divers are not up to the job

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The local army divers are not up to the job
Well said that man I have paid good money to dive in far worse conditions The Mrs keeps accusing me, me, of having a rant. "So bad we are having to lay lines out" - standard practice for any wreck penetration etc. etc.
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"or one of these huge lifting cranes be used to try and correct the angle? "

Exactly how big are these cranes and how do they get about?
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the svanen can lift 8500 tons and steams at 7 knots ,biggest sheerleg barge in europe
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Better to pump all that diesel out than clean it up. You might be right about the money. But the Dutch salvage team are already there. The local army divers are not up to the job

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Don't forget for those that dont know the diesel fuels not the same as vehicle diesel but is of the heavy oil type and needs to be heated up first before it can be Pumped out though the salvors will have to rig up some sort of steam lines first so it's not going to be an over night job
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Don't forget for those that dont know the diesel fuels not the same as vehicle diesel but is of the heavy oil type and needs to be heated up first before it can be Pumped out though the salvors will have to rig up some sort of steam lines first so it's not going to be an over night job
The V5 for one of my trucks used to say 'heavy oil' as the fuel category ..I just assumed that meant diesel ... whats the difference ?
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The V5 for one of my trucks used to say 'heavy oil' as the fuel category ..I just assumed that meant diesel ... whats the difference ?
Ship fuel is nearly like crude oil tar like and has to be heated up first to thin it out then it usually goes through massive centrifugal filters before its clean and thin enough to go into the engine,
It will pump out but it's a slow process maybe quicker over there as its a warmer country ,
Forget now but think normal truck/car and domestic heating diesels oils about 2000 spec grade where as ship stuffs about 300 no doubt someone will tell us .
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