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Old 15 January 2012, 14:55   #31
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Wadya all think??
Loada hooey.

That rock was only a few meters under the waterline. In this age, it's impossible that it is recently arrived and/or uncharted.

I went diving at the site shown below, not anymore, you NOTICE a volcano...

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Old 15 January 2012, 15:08   #32
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Whilst I can see the "attraction" for running to port/shallow water, surely getting the lifeboats into the water before a sinificant list develops, should be a higher priority?

It would appear that the tear is confined to a small, but significat section of the hull, why was the water not contained within the bulkheads of 1 or 2 sections, rather than what appears to be a classic flooding of the entire deck at the water line (Herald of Free Enterprise).

The last cruise ship we went on had bulk head doors that closed automatically
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Old 15 January 2012, 16:14   #33
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The same plight would have happened to the QE2 on her final sailing out of Southampton if it hadn't been sand!
Accidents happen, despite having all the navigation gizmo's aboard. God knows,the Bramble Bank has been there for quite a long time and is well charted.



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Old 15 January 2012, 17:35   #34
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The same plight would have happened to the QE2 on her final sailing out of Southampton if it hadn't been sand!
Accidents happen, despite having all the navigation gizmo's aboard. God knows,the Bramble Bank has been there for quite a long time and is well charted.



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I agree with earlier posts about the tower block nature of these vessels these days, because the QE2 looked half sensible ! unlike some ..

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As the underwater section of a cruiseship is carefully subdivided into a number of watertight compartments each sealed from each other by watertight doors I'm curious as to why a 30m gash was enough to create such a loss in bouyancy. Were the doors not closed? ( or did they fail to close?), did the original design of the vessel not include enough watertight compartments to allow for such a grounding?
Like so many things in life though .. what the designers tell you should work, is never what goes wrong in practice ..

Do these vessels go to sea when they've been fitted out totally and the weight specs are in with the design brief ?

I mean .. like building a house .. all the specs change continuously

some times I wonder if they do become top heavy, because all the add ons go beyond the design brief, which the structural engineers have no control over as the client always wants more cabins, per cubic foot

Just a thought
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Pretty unbelievable if this happened only due to "showboating". Much to improve on safety culture.....
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Its things like this that give the boating world a bad name and where having some sort of compulsery training is a good idea
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Its things like this that give the boating world a bad name and where having some sort of compulsery training is a good idea
Training like wot the skipper & F/O got.... riiiiiigggghhhtt........
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A great discussion on BBC Breakfast this morning and a great quote "There are worse things than dying." From Admiral Lord West
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Was an interesting discussion on Radio 2 yesterday about this & how the captain ( rightly or wrongly) is having trail by media & was getting the full blame from the CG even while he was in a lifeboat.

An interesting ( for me) comaprison was made to airline accidents where its not about ' blame' but understanding reasons and avoiding it again and how on a very complex bit of kit its near impossible for one person to be 100% responsible. As there are, in this case, lots of other bridge crew who have a responsibility to constantly question & challenge actions and decisions it does seem odd that this guy is 'guilty' already.

Dont get me wrong it may well be down to him, but again it may not....
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Well said. Having be around boats for 38 years I want to not believe that the captain was reckless and the he deserted his post.

If the media are to be believed they hit the rock when he was dining, so who was helming?

Also despite CCTV (which blacked out due to a power failure from the engine room flooding) the bridge may not have know they had hit the bottom, despite the jolt. An engine or genny blowing up would have spilt wine too.

The big issue for me though, is how after the titanic, the herald of free enterprise and the ferry in the Baltic that sank, can the vessel be so compromised it capsized?

It appears that a lot of water has been able to move freely from one side of the boat to another, and when the turn to port was made it tipped onto its starboard side!
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