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Old 15 January 2012, 05:41   #11
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No idea where you would start sorting out a mess that size, let's hope it doesn't turn into an environmental disaster
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Old 15 January 2012, 05:43   #12
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very true, it would have just turned turtle with everyone aboard!
It would have been nearly impossible for her to capsize, even way out in deeper water.
Cruise ships look impressive and top heavy but in reality are made up of big empty spaces. Virtually all the spaces above the waterline are hollow boxes (cabins, dining rooms, foyer's etc...) below the waterline is a different story, with an 7-10m draught, the lower sections of the vessel are crammed with very heavy machinery, pretty much the whole length of the ship. Factoring in the ballast tanks and fuel tanks you realise they are actually quite bottom heavy.

IMHO, the captain did exactly what he should have done by driving the vessel onto the rocks as close as possible to the nearest port. Unfortunately as she sank, the underwater profile of the seabed forced her onto her side. Lifeboats are designed to be launched at upto 15degs of list, sadly in this case the compromise of grounding her close to port actually had an adverse affect on the abandon ship proceedure. Although its difficult to say how long she would have remained afloat if not sat on the seabed, if she was further offshore, more lifeboats and liberty boats would have been successfully launched.

As the underwater section of a cruiseship is carefully subdivided into a number of watertight compartments each sealed from each other by watertight doors I'm curious as to why a 30m gash was enough to create such a loss in bouyancy. Were the doors not closed? ( or did they fail to close?), did the original design of the vessel not include enough watertight compartments to allow for such a grounding?

At any rate hopefully the rescue services will continue to find more survivors and account for all remaining missing passengers/crew.

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Old 15 January 2012, 05:53   #13
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Tragic as it is what with be the future of the ship now do you recon
Abandon to the sea
Salvage
Or scrap
She'll have thousands of gallons of diesel fuel still on board. I'm surprised no one has mentioned the environmental impact if that's allowed to leak into the Mediterranean. (Just read martini's post...)

Could the hole on the port side be patched, water pumped out, and a team of tugs, or one of these huge lifting cranes be used to try and correct the angle? Absolutely no idea, the logistical operation is hard to comprehend after looking at pictures, and the sheer scale of everything.

Hopefully they still find more survivors in the coming hours and days.
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Old 15 January 2012, 06:30   #14
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not an allowable alternative in the EU these days I think.
When the "Riverdance" came up on our beach a few years ago I remember standing there in a howling wind with the team of surveyors, pollution officers, salvors and coastguards and it was decided it was either going back out to sea on the end of a rope or across the promenade in skips. The skips won! Eventually.
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IMHO, the captain did exactly what he should have done by driving the vessel onto the rocks as close as possible to the nearest port.
I must have missed something. I didn't read that the ship went ANYWHERE after the collision! I had understood that it struck the location where it sank. The captain has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter, I also see that he is alleged to have left the vessel BEFORE the evacuation (such as it was) was complete.
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Old 15 January 2012, 06:39   #16
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not an allowable alternative in the EU these days I think.
When the "Riverdance" came up on our beach a few years ago I remember standing there in a howling wind with the team of surveyors, pollution officers, salvors and coastguards and it was decided it was either going back out to sea on the end of a rope or across the promenade in skips. The skips won! Eventually.
I would have thought the world leading Dutch salvage teams are mobilising if not there already, from what you can see it definitely looks patch able and then pump her out. Total refit, sold to a new owner, new name and back at sea in no time!!!

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Old 15 January 2012, 06:44   #17
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I would have thought the world leading Dutch salvage teams are mobilising if not there already, from what you can see it definitely looks patch able and then pump her out. Total refit, sold to a new owner, new name and back at sea in no time!!!
I'm not entirely sure that will buff out to be honest.
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are mobilising if not there already,
yep they were here and out in the cg mobile at lunchtime after the Riverdance went ashore at around 1 am that morning.
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fully agree, textbook. No matter what the original cause of the damage it needed parking as upright as possible somewhere shallow and near rescue/land. There seems to be an issue with the captain not wanting to be last off perhaps
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Old 15 January 2012, 07:40   #19
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I must have missed something.
You should go to the MBY Forums. There's 6 different threads on the subject, one of which has currently 216 opinions from the resident "armchair experts"!
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Anyone a member a Lloyds because Xmas bonuses may have just been cancelled. She is only 5 years old and cost 400m
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